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New Here ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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Hi everyone,

 

I've just noticed odd behaviour after recent LR update on my Win10 64bit - I'm processing photos from 1 photoshoot, using nikon d700 and 50mm lens for all of them.

 

As conditions are the same, my workflow is to apply settings to first photo and then sync across rest of them so if I'm selecting multiple images and then sync settings either from Library or Develop module - that's great, working fine and as expected.

 

However, sometimes I'm doing manual tweaks and then I want to apply those settings to the next photo so what I'm doing is: in Develop mode, go to the next image and hit "Previous" button next to "Reset" - when this is used the image is getting marginally cropped (probably by 1pixel) even when previous image wasn't cropped at all.

 

This change is only marginal but alters the aspect ratio without user's knowledge and only indication is a small crop icon in the filmstrip thumbnail.

 

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Marcin

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Adobe Employee , Jun 08, 2021 Jun 08, 2021
Greetings, Updates to Camera Raw, Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products for Desktop, Mobile and Web, were released today and contain a fix for this issue. Please refresh your Creative Cloud application and install your update when it becomes available. Thank you for your patience.

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New Here ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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I know this because I'll export about 20-30 files to Zerene Stacker and it won't stack them because the first file (every time I export a series of files for a focus stack) is always 2 pixels larger and I get an error message that says the image file is a different size.  Looks like a NEW bug in Lr.  This has never happened to me before.  I'm using the most current version of Lr Classic.

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New Here ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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Sorry.  Typo.  The first image exported is always 2 pixels larger.  So for my D850 the first image exported from Lr is 8256x5504. All other files in the same export operation are 8254x5504 pixels.

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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Bruce I just tried it with my images from a Nikon D850 and all 17 were 8256 x 5504 and Zerene Stacker had no problems  LR 10.2 Mac OS X 10.14.6

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New Here ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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Wow.  So why is my Lr exporting on larger image and the rest the same size.  Frustrating!  So mine is exporting the first image the correct size and all the others 2 pixels shorter on the long side.

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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seems that way.  You can check the image dimensions in the metadata panel and see if they all start the same

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New Here ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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Good idea.  Just checked that.  If I export the images without cropping all is fine.  If I crop the first one in the series then sync settings (incl crop) for the rest, the first image is different from all the others.  I thought syncing was supposed to make them all the same!  So the problem is not with export, it's with cropping and then syncing all the files in the series in the hope of making them all the same.  Hummmmmm.  Still odd.  Why is it doing that.  Seems to be a new thing for me.  I never had that problem before.  Just started about a week ago (just after I updated Lr to the newest version - I don't know if that has anything to do with it).

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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weird about the cropping.  I'll test that and see if it happens to me

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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I just cropped one image and synced to a bunch of images and all ended up with same dimensions.  Are you 100% sure Crop is selected in the sync dialog box?

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New Here ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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Yes, that was the first thing I checked.  I'll have to look deeper. Thanks for your thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 22, 2021 Mar 22, 2021

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good luck, I hope you figure it out

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Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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I wonder if this is the same https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-v102-sync-from-prev... 

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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I am seeing the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!   It shouldn't be doing this.  Another unintended consequence is when you take a series of images into a focus stacking program like Zerene Stacker the program will not stack the series because the first image is a different size (just one or two pixels) than the rest of the images in the series.  It looks like a bug to me.

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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Thank you Victoria!  YES.  I tested it both with adjustments including cropping and adjustments without cropping and all the images you are syncing the source to are one or two pixels smaller than the source.  Most people won't notice this but it does change the aspect ratio and it causes programs like Zerene Stacker to choke on it.  And this has just started happening since the latest Lr update.  So it's looking like a bug.  Luckily, it's easy to work around once you know what is going on.  Thanks for your help finding that other new poster.

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Adobe Employee ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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This thread is being merged into an existing authoritative thread for better tracking and response. Please review the official answer (if any) in the second post on the thread for more information. 

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Adobe Employee ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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Can somebody write me out a step by step method to reliably reproduce the problem so that I can test it? My first attempt did not reproduce the issue. 

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Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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@Rikk

Hi there, not sure what happened to my post but I did upload a screengrab from the LR: https://youtu.be/a7Lj_JE9lMs

the 0:19-0:29 are syncing without crop checkbox ticked and then next attempt is with the crop ticked.

At the end, there's an untouched pair of photos that shows the issue.

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Adobe Employee ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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See my post above. I cannot tell what is going on in the video. I need step by step instructions. 

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2021 Mar 23, 2021

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@Rikk

  1. Using PC, current ver. Lr and Nikon D850
  2.  Shot a sequence of pictures using D850 focus shift feature for stacking
  3. Download into Lr
  4. First picture in sequence is 8256x5504 pixels (same with all the others)
  5. I make exposure adjustment to the first image.
  6. I use "Synchronize Settings" to copy that adjustment to all the other pics.
  7. I look at the EXIF data and the first image (source for adjustments) is 8256x5504 pixels for Dimensions and Cropped values.
  8. All the other images are Cropped value of 8254x5504.  Two pixels shorter on the long side.
  9. Having the source image with different dimensions than the rest of the images causes a problem with a program like Zerene Stacker.
  10. Zerene will only stack a series of images if they are all EXACTLY the same size.
  11. It happens like this even when you make adjustments other than size.  When I crop and Sync Settings the same thing happens.  The first image is always one or two pixels larger in one dimension.
  12. I hope this helps.

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Adobe Employee ,
Mar 24, 2021 Mar 24, 2021

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If you use the [ I ] key to turn on Info does Lightroom report the pixel dimensions the same as EXIF or different?


Using these instructions,  I was not able to reproduce the issue

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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New Here ,
Mar 24, 2021 Mar 24, 2021

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Yes, using the "I" key shows the same dimensions as the EXIF data.  I shot and ran more focus stacks this morning and I'm seeing the same anomoly.

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Adobe Employee ,
Mar 25, 2021 Mar 25, 2021

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I think we will need some sample files from you. I think 3 would be sufficient. 

Prepare 3 originals with no edits

With the same files create the issue and export those three as DNGs. When you have the six files ready, let me know here how to get them (CC Files, Dropbox, etc)

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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New Here ,
Mar 25, 2021 Mar 25, 2021

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Okay, Rikk.  I'm ready.  I can send the files to you via WeTransfer.  I just need an email address.  This is what I did.  I took three images from the beginning of a stack sequence and sent them to you as "original" files and I labelled them Original-1, Original-2 and Original-3.  I named the side cars the same.  I then took the Original-1 image in Lr and changed the exposure and cropped it.  The original file size is 8256x5504. The cropped dimensions are 7914x5307.  I highlighted Original-1, shift-clicked Original-2 and Original-3 and then Synced them with the adjustments made on Original-1.  Both synced image files are sized 7913x5308.  One pixel smaller on the long side and one pixel larger on the short side.  I deleted these exported files and exported the files again from Lr as DNGs, just as a double check.  The source image exported as 7914x5307.  The synced files exported as 7913x5307.  That's weird.  The same export operation and now different results. I did it a third time and the synced files again exported one pixel smaller on the long side.  Just for the heck of it I exported the files as full size JPGs.  The synced files are now 7912 pixels on the long side, two pixels smaller.  I repeated this again and same result - 2 pixels smaller on the long side.  Then I exported as TIFF and they mimicked the JPG results.  So JPG and TIFF are still different than the exported DNG files.  I'm ready to send you the originals and DNGs when you are ready.  If you also want the TIFF and JPG I can send those too.

Bruce

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Adobe Employee ,
Mar 29, 2021 Mar 29, 2021

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With your test files, I am not able to reproduce the behavior. After sync the images remain identically sized. 

A screenshot of your Sync dialog might be helpful.

Have you reset your preferences?

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Mar 31, 2021 Mar 31, 2021

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I reset preferences at start-up (Opt + Shft).  I cropped one image and then copied the settings to others in the focus stack and everything appeared correctly.  I thought that solved it.  However, I reset all files and tried it again and the first image was different by one pixel compared to all the images the settings were copied to.  I repeated this 4 times and the problem still persists.  The Synchronized Settings dialog box has all boxes checked except Upright mode and Process version were grayed out.

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Apr 01, 2021 Apr 01, 2021

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A screenshot of that dialog would be nice if you could provide one. 

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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