P:(Masking) Add auto update recompute to subject /sky masking after copy/paste

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 28, 2021 Oct 28, 2021

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Love the auto subject detection in the new lightroom classic update.

 

Idea: add an auto recompute feature to the subject masking when working with multiple images.

 

Observation: I'm a wedding photographer. When working with multiple images and auto sync is turned on, all of my edits to one image are synced across all selected images. When working with the auto mask subject selection, LRC basically creates a mask "preset" for the visible image but won't apply that "preset" to all other images until you manually select the  "recompute subject" button on the mask pannel. 

 

Why not have LRC do this automatically across all selected images? Seems like a nice improvement.

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Adobe Employee , Nov 24, 2021 Nov 24, 2021
This is the hottest feature request ticket in the Masking world right now and the team is evaluating this.  Given that, on some systems,  AI selection can take many seconds to run, processing them to a large batch of images is a non-trivial use of computer resources and, by extension, time. I would love to hear some discussion from those posting here regarding expectations about behavior, warnings, abort options, when a 100 batch of images is going to take 20-30 minutes of run time. 

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New Here ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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Someone HELP PLEASE! I shot a 100+ photos time lapse and did the adjustments to the mask on the first photo.  Then I tried to synchornize the changes to all other 100+ photos.  The global synchronizations worked, but now the other 99+ photos each say that the AI needs to redraw / reload a new mask.  So now I have to go into each individual synchronized photo and manually update 2 different masks (sky and ground). THIS IS PAINFUL!!! PLEASE HELP - WHAT DO I DO BESIDES WAISTING LOTS OF TIME.  At least let me bring back the old Graduated filter???

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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Infortunately you do indeed have to update A.I. masks one by one yourself. The old graduated filter is still there however. It is now called Linear Gradient, but that is the only thing that changed.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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I completely agree.  Even if its not automatic, I would like a way to select a group of photos and tell it to recompute the masks.   Right now, there are way to many mouse clicks to update each photo.   I photograph high school seniors, and I could save so much time with this little tweak.  Otherwise, this masking thing is a game changer, seriously.

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 30, 2021 Oct 30, 2021

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Hello photography hive mind! I'm messing about with the new mask selection features in Lightroom, which so far are looking pretty snazzy. I can see that if you copy an AI generated mask (i.e. subject or sky or deviations thereof) between photos. When you do, it tells you that you need to recalculate the mask for each target photo, which makes sense. What I'd like to know is, is it possible to update the AI masks in a group of photos simultaneously? Or must I click through each mask in each photo and hit the update button?
 
Example for context: I'm working on group shots from a very overcast wedding. I shot using the available natural light. There is very little separation between the background and the subject in terms of brightness. I am making a mask for the subject, adding a little contrast, sharpness. The inverting the selection and removing about half a stop exposure from the background. I'd love to be able to copy this to a bunch of photos and have it resolve automatically.

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Oct 30, 2021 Oct 30, 2021

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Remember to upvote feature requests!

Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Explorer ,
Nov 01, 2021 Nov 01, 2021

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With the new Lightroom 11.0, when I copy the settings of one photo with a subject mask and then paste those settings to a new photo, the subject mask then has a button that says "Subject 1 needs to be recomputed" and then you have a button to update the subject mask. It would be super amazing if there was some way of implementing an auto update of the subject mask. As it stands, I have to reopen the subject mask to apply the update to every photo that I paste the copied settings to. When photos are someone similar but people move around, the AI is still really good when you just click the update button. It still works great. So I don't see any reason why the mask can be auto updated so we don't have to go back into the mask panel to update it.

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New Here ,
Nov 01, 2021 Nov 01, 2021

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Folgendes Problem:

Klassische Produktbilder (Mensch mit Klamotten) mit klarem abgetrennten Hintergrund (einfarbig) kann perfekt als Motiv erkannt werden. Ich nutze die umgekehrte Variante um den Hintergrund aufzuhellen und habe eine Maske angelegt.

 

Wenn ich diese nun synchronisiere auf die weiteren Bilder, berechnet LR nicht automatisch das Motiv (bzw. die Umkehrung), ich muss jedes einzelne mit "Motiv 1" muss neu berechnet werden, anklicken.

Gibt es eine Umgehung, dass dies automatisch geschieht, damit ich nicht 1000 Bilder durchklicken muss?

 

Ich wäre über Hilfe sehr dankbar, denn das ist wirklich Zeitintensiv.

Grüße

Sina

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 02, 2021 Nov 02, 2021

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The new masking methode in Lightroom Classic works great on single images. However I’m a product photographer who shoot product in 360 degrees. This means I often have to edit 36 - 72 of even 144 images of the same object at once. The Subject detection is a great option, but it would be greater if I can (force) sync this on multiple images. I now can sync all edits but have to click the ‘Subject needs to be recomputed update’ on every single image. This takes way too much time. 

 

Is there a workaround?

 

Thanks in advance. 

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Explorer ,
Nov 02, 2021 Nov 02, 2021

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Request: Please enable an option to update/cancel the AI elements of a mask when pasting settings. 

Issue:

When batch editing similar photos I can:

  1. Select the first photo in the set
  2. Apply an AI Select Subject mask
  3. Duplicate/invert that mask to select the background
  4. Apply my edits to each mask
  5. Copy settings and include the Masking option to ensure the masks are included.
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  6.  Sync/Paste the settings across multiple photos. 

 

The masks are applied (with confirmation to overwrite, merge, etc). The problem I now have is that each synchronized mask is now in a state that cannot be used without further attention. Each mask must be opened, AI element must then be selected, and the option chosen to "Update" to recompute the mask. You can imaging more complicated AI masks and each requiring updating (like sky, subject, ground, graduated filter with an intersection of select sky to remove, select sky with intersection select subject to ensure the subject is knocked out of the sky, etc.) Manually updating all the mask elements manually really slows down the speed gains by Lightroom bulk editing.

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Batch edits like copy/paste or Sync should be able to be used in a batch mode. Paste/Sync settings should allow (with confirmation) the option to recalculate all the AI elements in the background. When editing hundreds of photos this is a huge time saver--auto-update all the mask elements and then come back to review after the photo masks are finished updating. It would be great if this were a Lightroom task, like merging a panoramic, or computing an HDR, that could be cancelled in the UI.

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New Here ,
Nov 03, 2021 Nov 03, 2021

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Yes the option to autorecompute the masks will take this awesome new feature to the next level! Super stoked with how well this works so far!

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 04, 2021 Nov 04, 2021

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In addition to adding the ability to mass-recompute Subjects / Sky / etc, Lightroom needs to apply the (re)computed Subject mask to all adjustment layer - as it stands right now, if you paste two adjustment mask layers onto a photo, with both adjustment layers containing Subject Masks, the Subject must be recomputed twice, or once for each Subject Mask.

 

This makes no sense, as the Subject doesn't change in the same image.  See the screenshot below, where the "Sky Pop" Mask has had both Sky and Subject recomputed already, and the "Couple Pop" Mask is still missing the Subject Mask and is still asking for it to be recomputed, eventhough it's already been computed once on this image.  Not only is this annoying and a waste of time, it's a waste of processing power.

 

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New Here ,
Nov 05, 2021 Nov 05, 2021

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I agree. It would save so much time if I could auto recompute the masks! I don't want to fall in love with this feature until I can auto recompute. I love it already, but don't want to use it because it's killing my time editing going in every single image and manually recomputing every mask for similar photos. Please make this a thing 🤩

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Engaged ,
Nov 07, 2021 Nov 07, 2021

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Hi.

With LrC 11 it's now possible to apply AI masks.

But when you copy settings from one image to another, mask type (Select Subject or Select Sky) is copied, but the mask itself is not calculated.

Then it's required to open masking panel on target photo and click "Update".

After doing so the mask is calculated - great.

But currently it's impossible to do this in batch.

User needs to do this for EVERY image, which is a pain if you copied settings to 10, 20 or more images.

Please add possibility to batch update AI masks after selecting group of images.

Thank you.

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LEGEND ,
Nov 07, 2021 Nov 07, 2021

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Engaged ,
Nov 07, 2021 Nov 07, 2021

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In my opinion AI masks actually needs two improvements:

  1.  Option to compute actual masks for target photos when pasting/syncing settings (rather than just copying mask type). The same way it was implemented for Upright, where you can choose to copy actual correction or just correction type and recompute correction for target photo.
  2.  Ability to recompute AI masks for selected images in batch.

 

Also, it would be nice to optimize mask calculation.

There is no need to compute subject or sky for multiple masks on the same photo because it does not change - just compute it once.

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New Here ,
Nov 11, 2021 Nov 11, 2021

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That's so annoying, I have a timelapse of stonehenge, so obviously the subject is not moving by an inch, only the sky is. Select sky worked fantastic, fidning it's way in between the stones, saving me a lot of time doing it manually. But I can't sync the masks because they are AI-powered. Is there no way to change AI-powered mask into a regular mask? This would be a cool workaround.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 11, 2021 Nov 11, 2021

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No, there is not. Use a different, conventional, method to select the sky. Like a linear gradient and then subtract a color range or luminosity range. Like you would have done in Lightroom v10 with a range mask.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Guru ,
Nov 11, 2021 Nov 11, 2021

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[edit: my initial tests seemed to show sky / subject mask syncing over from image to image as a copied mask, until content was recalculated but doesn't now seem to work that way in latest point update: AI mask shows nothing until recalculated for that image]

 

To the extent the Sky or Subject content are going to be different between shots, then we will probably always want to recalculate the Sky or Subject AI masking. But that wish may not apply to a fixed-camera timelapse sequence (say). The option to sync a cached sky mask as-is from a different image, or maybe a workaround to convert an AI generated 'sky' or 'subject' layer into a static "as if brushed" mask layer, would IMO address that use case. In an exposure bracketed series (for example), AI sky detection or subject detection may vary the results unintendedly due to the different tonal presentation even though the subject itself was static and the camera was fixed on a tripod.

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LEGEND ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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"The only difference is that in the case of an AI powered selection you can optionally tell LrC to Update this, and then it calculates a new different Subject or Sky extent based on the actual content of this other photo. Without doing this, the mask extents of the two (or more) photos concerned will remain identical for the meanwhile."

 

Unfortunately, that's not how copying Select Sky and Subject masks work.  Here's an example:

 

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The left photo has a Select Sky mask and a Linear Gradient mask at the bottom. When I Sync the masks from the left to the right photo, the Linear Gradient mask gets copied and enabled; but the Select Sky mask is copied but isn't enabled until I Update it in the Mask tool.

 

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LEGEND ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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Moderators, @Rikk Flohr: Photography, please merge this to the existing Idea:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/p-masking-add-auto-update-recompute-to-subjec...

 

(That feature request is very popular, with 60 votes already!)

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New Here ,
Nov 14, 2021 Nov 14, 2021

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100% agree. Would make my workflow much faster and came here to suggest it 🙂 

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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All of this -- also -- when the "subject needs to be recomputed" it's clearly an error, but I don't understand why there isn't an error image on the individual images in Develop OR Library mode? It would be super helpful to have an overview of "errors" that exist in my gallery, even if it's a mask-needs-to-be-recomputed error. 

Also, has anyone else experienced the phenomenon where it doesn't save your auto-generated-subject-selection masks if you input changes from an editor to your lightroom catalog?? 

I have to go through each image that was already edited and find the mask errors, select "recompute," wait for it to recompute (it can't do it in the background, so I just sit there for 10 seconds while it loads) and then manually, one by one, go through my images to see if there are masking errors. 

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LEGEND ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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"I don't understand why there isn't an error image on the individual images in Develop OR Library mode? It would be super helpful to have an overview of "errors" that exist in my gallery, even if it's a mask-needs-to-be-recomputed error."

 

You can use the Any Filter plugin to find all photos with masks that need recomputing:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/finding-photos-with-select-subject-sky-... 

 

Hopefully the next release of LR will avoid the need to do this altogether.

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021

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Yes, and please ask the evangelist, why on earth (or in heaven) one has to ask for this feature.

If there is a need to recalculate, there should be a way to do it?

Or is that to easy for an IT-Analyst?

That said, the new masks are a killer feature, I'm sure!

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021

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Thats good to know. But there is still no trigger to DO it.

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