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P: Restore Import from external catalog over LAN?

LEGEND ,
Oct 25, 2017 Oct 25, 2017

After the update to Lightroom Classic CC on both of my systems I am not able to import from the catalog on the other computer via ethernet. I get an error message that the external catalog seems to be a non valid Lightroom-catalog. On the other computer the catalog works.

I run Lightroom on an iMac and a MacBook. Usually I import pictures to my MacBook to sort and develop them - for example when I am traveling. From time to time I use the functionality "import from another catalog" on my iMac to get the new pictures from the catalog which is stored on the MacBook via LAN/WLAN. In the previous version this was working fine. Since the update to Lightroom Classic CC I see the error message above.

When I copy the catalog and the negative files from my MacBook into a folder on my iMac I am able to import them into the iMac catalog. So the issue should have to do with access via network.

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Explorer ,
Apr 29, 2019 Apr 29, 2019
Just giving this thread a bump in order to keep it alive.

Over the weekend shoots on location. Imported the shoots into Lighroom Classic from my camera onto my Macbook. Did first selection and first edits.

Came home and had to export the catalog onto a USB drive, attach the USB disk to my iMac and then import the catalog into my main catalog on my iMac. Waisted valuable time!

Come on Adobe... Untill the release of Lightroom CC we had the possibility to import a catalog over the network. Since the release of Lightroom CC (Classic) this feature was removed and we were told that this was a "bug"...

Please implement the bug again.

Kind regards,
Pro Photographers around the world.
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Adobe Employee ,
Aug 30, 2018 Aug 30, 2018
The team has carefully reviewed the outstanding issue regarding import from an external catalog over a LAN and will not be making any further changes in current (7.x) functionality or planned future functionality in this regard. Though we realize it may have been possible to do this in previous versions, Lightroom was not designed nor intended to allow the import of an external catalog over a LAN.

Thank you for your patience while we researched this request.

(Note: edited to include versions beyond 7.x)
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Adobe Employee ,
Aug 29, 2018 Aug 29, 2018
The issue is still open but I do not have an ETA to share. I have escalated with the team. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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LEGEND ,
May 23, 2018 May 23, 2018
It would take a just a few lines of code to restore the ability of Import From Another Catalog to access catalogs stored on network filesystems (aka network drives or NAS).

Gory details:

LR catalogs are implemented using SQLite databases. Adobe changed the way LR 7 opens these databases, using SQLite's write-ahead logging (WAL) journal mode. WAL is significantly faster than the default journal mode used in LR 6 and earlier, but it doesn't work with databases (catalogs) residing on network filesystems. Thus, as a consequence of speeding up catalog access, Adobe also disabled the ability of Import From Another Catalog to read catalogs stored on network filesystems.

No one who knows has indicated whether this sacrifice of functionality in favor of catalog performance was thought through ahead of time or was an afterthought.

But there is a simple fix that allows both the use of WAL and importing from catalogs on network filesystems. Normally, SQLite stores the WAL journal mode inside the database itself, and once stored in the database, there is no way for a program to open a database stored on a network filesystem to turn off the mode. But it's a very simple matter for LR to always keep the database in the default delete mode whenever the database is closed, putting it into WAL mode only when it is on a local disk and open.

Right after opening a database, LR would do:

if not pathIsOnNetworkVolume (catalog.path) then 
    do SQL command "pragma journal_mode=WAL"
This provides the desirable performance improvement if the catalog resides on a local disk, but still allows catalogs on network filesystems to be opened. 

Right before closing the database on exit, LR would put the database back into default mode:

do SQL command "pragma journal_mode=DELETE"
With this, the Import From Another Catalog command would once again be able to import catalogs stored on network filesystems, as it has been doing in all versions prior to LR 7.

Now, some engineers with a little knowledge might object that the developers of SQLite warn against accessing SQLite databases over the network, due to deficiencies in some implementations of network file locking. In general, that's a complicated subject as it applies to LR. But for importing from a network catalog, it's a non-issue, since the SQLite warning only applies to writing network databases, while the Import From Another Catalog command only reads the databases.

I tested the feasibility of this solution with MacOS LR 7.3.1, using SQLite to remove to remove the WAL journal mode from a catalog, and LR was able to successfully import from it, just like LR 6.
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Adobe Employee ,
Apr 30, 2018 Apr 30, 2018



Karel,

Access to catalogs on non-local drives is not supported. If this worked in prior versions of Lightroom I suspect that was a bug and has been fixed. 

Consider adding your request to this thread: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/multi_user_multi_computer

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Explorer ,
Apr 30, 2018 Apr 30, 2018


Since the introduction of Lightroom Classic it's not possible anymore to import a Catalogue stored on another computer over a network.

This is very frustrating and results in time loss as I have to copy the catalogue (over the network!!!!) to my local machine and then do an import...

Please put this on your (long!) bugfix for 7.3.2

Karel.
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Explorer ,
Feb 18, 2018 Feb 18, 2018
And there is no mean to go on the street, before a judge, vote for an other party and, and, and...
Even buying by an other competitor isn't possible.
Western society and western economy has a very huge flaw here!
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Community Beginner ,
Feb 05, 2018 Feb 05, 2018
I had the chance to test this over AFP networking and same issue occurred. So it appears that this is simply a regression: 1) Lightroom adds constraint preventing the use of catalogs over network for interactive work, 2) Import from catalogs over the network breaks.

At the least, the error message that the catalog is invalid is totally wrong.
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Adobe Employee ,
Jan 28, 2018 Jan 28, 2018
At this point of time, we are not at fixing this technical limitation.

Thanks,
Sunil
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Community Beginner ,
Jan 27, 2018 Jan 27, 2018
Any updates on this? Finally bit the bullet to update my main catalog with a workaround: Manually copy over the catalog file, then manually copy over image files, then re-attach missing files in thecatalog. What a pain! Old process was a single step.

Also, I wonder if this has anything to do with the deprecation of AFP networking on APFS devices with High Sierra. Right now, only SMB worlds with APFS.
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Explorer ,
Jan 26, 2018 Jan 26, 2018
Import over network does not work. Copy .lrcat over network and import does not work. Copy to usb thumb drive, move file to host and import DOES work. Likely a file permissions issue.
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Community Beginner ,
Jan 13, 2018 Jan 13, 2018
Same problem. Main catalog is now coming on 4 months of not being updated 😞
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Adobe Employee ,
Dec 13, 2017 Dec 13, 2017
In Lightroom Classic, we use a certain database mode primarily for performance gain. This is a technical limitation we face on Mac.

Thanks,
Sunil
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New Here ,
Dec 13, 2017 Dec 13, 2017
I just downloaded the new update this morning ( version 7.1) and being able to import catalogs over a network still does not work.

This is crazy.

Adobe, you need to fix this bug. For any studio that has multiple photographers, this has created a messy nightmare in keeping up with catalogs. 
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New Here ,
Oct 26, 2017 Oct 26, 2017
I'm having the exact same problem. We have a multiple photographer workflow that keeps the master LR catalog on the server and we export our collections from that catalog to multiple workstations. After the edits are made they are then imported back into the master catalog on the server. We have been doing this workflow for many, many years without any problem. Since upgrading to LR CC Classic we can no longer do this over the network. 

In order to get the catalog to import to the server, I have to move the master catalog to the workstation, import the edits to it (on the workstation) then copy the master catalog back to the server. The problem appears to be narrowed down to importing over a network; which has always worked in the past. 

We really need an answer to this as soon as possible since it is crippling our workflow. 

p.s. side note, I would also love for you guys to give us the option again to rename a catalog that has to be upgraded from an older version LR catalog. As it is now, we have to settle with the new catalog having a "-2" in the name while I would prefer the option to rename it to something easier to recognize. 
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Adobe Employee ,
Oct 25, 2017 Oct 25, 2017
Thanks for reporting, Felix.
We are looking into this.

Thanks,
Sunil
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Community Beginner ,
Oct 25, 2017 Oct 25, 2017
Hello

you are in a big group.

I am sure that is a bug, one more of this terrible release .

We have to wait Adobe.

Have a good experience
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LEGEND ,
Aug 28, 2018 Aug 28, 2018
Any update on a fix for this, Adobe?
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LEGEND ,
Mar 20, 2018 Mar 20, 2018
I to am having this problem.  Sunil is your last comment of ADOBE is not fixing it still standing?  If so what other solutions can you suggest?  
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LEGEND ,
Mar 08, 2018 Mar 08, 2018
Sunil, what is Adobe planning on doing to fix this? Any time frame?
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LEGEND ,
Dec 06, 2017 Dec 06, 2017



Shortcuts do not work in many cases for example
turn images: CMD+, &CMD+.

Import of LR Catalogues from Servers, extern Harddisks and similar is not possible with catalogues created in LR Classic CC but catalogues created in older LR Versions are.

For the rest it runs a bit faster

But overall it seems more like a downstep than an update.

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LEGEND ,
Nov 05, 2017 Nov 05, 2017
I have a similar problem, importing from a catalogue on a USB drive. I have a similar workflow: work on pictures on a laptop when away from base, and merge into main catalogue when I return.

When I try to load direct from the USB drive Lightroom doesn't recognise as a catalogue, but when I copy the files to disk and load it starts loading. It's very slow

I'm feeling pretty nervous about this new version of Lightroom. Having invested so much effort with my current massive catalogue (too big for cloud) it doesn't really seem to be committed to supporting features I need.
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Explorer ,
Aug 31, 2018 Aug 31, 2018
"Though we realize it may have been possible to do this in previous versions". May? It WAS possible. And it's a pity that it was left out. Importing over network is a read-only situation.So corruption of the to-be imported catalog is a no-issue.

Anyway... I hope that in a future Lightroom Classic edition it will be implemented again and I do understand that this function will not be a 7.x feature.

Karel.
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Adobe Employee ,
Aug 30, 2018 Aug 30, 2018
Gary, I've edited the official reply to address future versions so it is clearer. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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