P: Generated images violate user guidelines

[Hematita]

So as you can see, it's a PG-13 relatively inoffensive image of a woman in a bunny outfit. The top worked fine, and I was able to complete the top ear, which is cool. When I tried to extend the bottom with generative fill, though, I got this warning. They're just a pair of legs wearing stockings, and I wanted to extend it.

It feels like a false flag - though I could be wrong? I find myself thinking it would do the same for women in swimsuits.

Figured I'd share here.

[Gregusaurus]

Waiting for my new release update to arrive for Photoshop 25.0. Does anyone here using the new release (not the beta) still get "the generated images were removed"  against guidlines warning or any censorship? 

[gadget13769]

I have been (and still am) critical of any attempt by Adobe to govern what I can create, but credit where credit's due: I used GF to remove a brolly reflection from a complex window background and it did an excellent job where other fill, heal, patch and clone tools failed.

[Graham24508943nobd]

earlier today I got a pic I took a few years ago of a beach & ocean scene. I removed a few caravans from grassland, and people that were walking on the beach simply by typing remove. in the prompt and that worked perfectly

[Caity.psd]

@gadget13769 appreciate you for sharing! 

[Gregusaurus]

Caity.psd Can you tell us if the new Photoshop 25.0 release (NOT BETA-  some report its release but I have not seen it as yet)  has Generative Fill and Expand without censorship or warnings from Adobe? Thanks.

[Caity.psd]

Hi @Gregusaurus and everyone! Generative AI features are now available publicly in Photoshop v25 (please update!).

We are continually working to improve the Firefly model that powers generative AI features in Photoshop. Because we are constantly learning, improving, and optimizing our model you may inadvertently receive a “false violation” message when using generative AI in Photoshop. If after you review the guidelines you believe you received a false violation, continue to share feedback via “REQUEST REVIEW” so you can share more information on the violation. This feedback will help us to improve our model and help reduce the number of “false violations” that occur.

You may still experience this in v25. We will keep this thread active and share updates to our model as we improve!

[Caity.psd]

You may continue to receive a “false violation” message when using generative AI in Photoshop. If after you review the guidelines you believe you received a false violation, click on “REQUEST REVIEW” so you can share more information on the violation. This feedback will help us to improve our model and help reduce the number of “false violations” that occur.

[PeterGJones]

It still there. No nudity and it objected to adding a 3rd leg to a figure

[CShubert]

@PeterGJones have you tried the new release version of Ps that has GenAI?

Adobe Photoshop Version: 25.0.0 20230906.r.37 b14e317 x64

[PeterGJones]

yes, using 25.0

[Graham24508943nobd]

That's daft as the bot frequently adds a third leg to a person or more to a four legged animal  😅😅

[Gregusaurus]

@Caity.psd

Can you tell us when this update to 25.0 will be widely available. I have not recieved an update notification in my CC app.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Gregusaurus are you in an enterprise or educational account? If so your admin needs to allow access to apps within 30 days of release or you wont see it.

[Gregusaurus]

@Kevin Stohlmeyer , No. Just me on a regular Adobe account. I normally get all the updates for Photoshop and Photoshop Beta. 

[daniellei4510]

Nothing to do with nudity. I've been putting clothing on nude models almost since when Generative Fill was introduced, to make them suitable to upload to Facebook. It's a bug.

[Caity.psd]

@Gregusaurus try "check for updates" button in Creative Cloud Desktop app or this link:

https://creativecloud.adobe.com/campaign/photoshop?workflow=install&min-version=25.0

[KLyles]

Hmm.  I'm somewhat on the fence here. 

I have used the Adobe CC suite for many years ( basically since it was introduced ) and I don't know how keen I am on having to ask permission from Adobe about what I can create with their software.  In my opinion, it isn't Adobe's place to approve / disapprove what content I create. ( especially at the cost of $700 / year )

Besides having to ask permission, this also indicates that Adobe is scanning the image you're working on to determine if they will approve of it or not.  The question then becomes, is this already being done without customer knowledge outside of the AI generative fill feature or not ?

It's not that I have any real need or interest to create nudity via the AI tool, but it bothers me that I am having to ask permission from Adobe in the first place regardless of what I'm creating.  Imagine the uproar if this type of permission model was included in other software like Maya, Blender, Zbrush, Audition, Indesign, etc. etc.   

Given this insight, I will probably revisit replacement products for the Adobe CC suite before my subscription renews early next year. 

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@KLyles your assessment is wrong. The AI is not analyzing the content of your image before throwing the error. If you read the thread many users have pointed out - like @daniellei4510 that they've used AI on nude images without issue. It all stems from proper prompt usage and descriptions.

[rfrolich2]

Ok, I'm confused.  Is Photoshop v 25.0 considered Beta still or is this the commercial release?  It's asking me once again to "Agree" to your User Guidelines, which to me looks like the same as the one for the Beta.  It still says "output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially."  That's what we do folks.  We use Photoshop for commercial purposes for companies that make us sign big, scary NDAs.  Is this a commercial release, or is it a Beta? 

Can Photoshop v 25.0 be used for commercial purposes?  I need some clarification please.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

25.0 is the general public release and is available for Commercial Use - https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new/2024.html#gen-ai-photoshop

The beta is currently 25.1 and is for non-commercial use.

[Gregusaurus]

@Caity.psd

Thanks so much. That worked. In the past the app notified me there was  an update. 

[CShubert]

@rfrolich2 could you share a screenshot of that message that you say says not for commercial use?  Ps 25.0 IS available for commercial use, period, hard stop.  Ps beta will NOT be changed to allow commercial use, so moving forward all GenAI use for work/commercial/whatever must be done in Ps general release, which as of today is : Adobe Photoshop Version: 25.0.0 20230906.r.37 b14e317 x64

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

This is where it gets confusing for everyone - The 25.0 public release from this week (9/06) is not an upgrade from the Beta. If you are on any of the beta versions it wont show an available update.

Check your CC desktop app for available APP updates (not beta) and you should see it:

[rfrolich2]

Hi @CShubert,

From the Generative AI in Adobe apps dialog, it's asking me to agree to the User Guidelines.  If I click on the link, it takes me to the guidelines that state "While generative AI features are in beta, all generated output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially." It's asking me to agree to this. I take that to mean that the generative AI features are still in Beta.  

That's not the case?

Thank you.

 

[defaultyfp7chz9kt23]

What in god's name are "Generative Credits" As if our adobe cloud subscription wasn't enough as is.