P: Photoshop 22.4 - Missing Save as formats from the menu

[Samuel5DFB]

I just updated to the mentioned version and the formats dropdown list only shows 3 formats: Photoshop (*.PSD;*.PDD;*.PSDT), *.PSB and TIFF (*.TIF;*.TIFF).

[davescm]

@Eugene Tyson  Ahh - I apologise for misreading it 🙂

Dave

[Eugene Tyson]

I still can't believe there's not a better way to implement export to different file formats. 

It should be far easier. 

I don't want to save a copy. I want my file to be the PDF format - not PSD.

[davescm]

My understanding is that PDF is in Save a Copy because it does not guarantee to preserve the elements of your file. The options you choose later decide that (editability, downsampling etc). The issue that Adobe faced was that on Macs they had to choose the full filename before entering the Mac API for saving. The Windows version was changed to keep the two platform versions in alignment. Divergence leads to further issues down the line with users who use both or develop plug and actions.

The article here explains a bit more : https://petapixel.com/2021/05/18/photoshops-save-as-function-has-changed-on-mac-heres-why/

Dave

[Eugene Tyson]

Sorry Dave - I don't agree. 

I think Adobe can implement it better. 

Save a copy is poor - adds COPY to the filename - why? I don't want that in the filename.

It simply be File>Export and choose your export format - then your settings.

Now - it's forcing  you to say - make a few changes to a jpeg - add a layer - and simply want to save the jpeg again. But there's forced behaviour in wanting you to save a PSD file with it ---- why? You always have to save a copy?

I don't want copies of files all over the computer/server. 

This needs to be simplified by Adobe - and Apple should be ashamed of themselves.

[D Fosse]

You don't seem to understand the limitations of the jpeg file format specification.

Jpeg does not support layers of any kind, 16 bit depth, transparency or alpha channels.

So it has to be a copy, with those properties removed.

What's new this time, is that MacOS no longer allows Photoshop to strip "-copy" from the file name. No, it's simply not possible since Catalina.

[davescm]

I disagree. Read the article and it explains why copy is added, when information could be overwritten. The part that Adobe had a choice in was whether to keep parity between Mac and Windows. They chose to maintain this parity and understandably upset some Windows users. If they had chosen not to maintain it then they would upset organisations that use both systems along with developers of actions and plug ins. Lose or lose.

In your scenario of the jpeg  that you describe, where you don't want to keep the layers and you want to overwrite the original - just flatten it and press Ctrl+S the jpeg is overwritten, with no name change and your layers are gone. Or flatten it and press Alt+Ctrl+S and you can give it a new name and location.

Dave

[geigreg]

I agree with this. I can live with the new "Save a Copy" button. But I
don't want my filename auto-populated with anything. And I know that is a
fix that is doable and that doesn't depend on the Apple OS. So at the
very least, please remove that functionality. Let the user decide how they
want to name their files.

[D Fosse]

Idon't want my filename auto-populated with anything. And I know that is afix that is doable and that doesn't depend on the Apple OS.

By @geigreg

I don't know how many times I have to say this over and over. Here goes again:

MacOS does not allow removing "-copy" from the filename.

Are we all perfectly clear on that now?

[ProDesignTools]

There is also some precedent in Microsoft Windows...

Any time you copy a file in Windows File Explorer, and then paste it into the same folder, you automatically get " - Copy" added to the filename, just before the file extension.

Then you can click to rename the copy if/as desired.

[D Fosse]

There is also some precedent in Microsoft Windows...

By @ProDesignTools

Absolutely, and we shouldn't be surprised if Windows eventually adopts the same policy that is causing the present situation in MacOS. There may well be good security reasons for it.

[D Fosse]

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@Eugene Tyson wrote:

I meant from Apple point of view to change their OS

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Not stupidity, I think they were well aware of what they were doing. It's a security policy, and as such it's their prerogative.

The real problem is that Apple has grown too big. They are the Saudi Aramco of consumer electronics (and very nearly as profitable), and they can do whatever the heck they want. Make no mistake, Apple is almost a government.

That they still manage to project a "hipster" image is slightly incredible, but another discussion... 😉

[Lumigraphics]

Apple made the change for security reasons. Save dialogs now run in their own sandbox and that makes them less likely to be manipulated by malware.

[fbau2013]

First time I come here to understand why there is a change like that ! It is an horrible decision (!!!), and is it possible to add an option and come back to the old version ?

[davescm]

You can step back to an older version of Photoshop. You cannot revert the current version to the old behaviour, because of the reasons explained in this thread.

Dave

[JJMack]

Adobe should back this change forcing version's onto users on Mac and PC is not what users want. They want to be able to update/replace their current image.  Windows user don't want, Mac don't want - forced versions. I'm sure Steve J is laughing in his grave.

[juliust9149185]

With the update 22.4.0, many of my save options are missing.

Example 1: When I save a finished .psd, I normally save a TIFF without layers. The box to uncheck "layers" is missing. Now I can only save as a layered TIFF; which in turn, doesn't save the most current changes made to the file.

Example 2: The save as a JPEG is totally gone; including, everything except PSD, PSB, and TIFF.

I looked in Preferences, but cannot find anything that could effect the save dialog window.

I normally save with this shortcut: (Ctrl + Shift + S) which brings up the Save Window with all its options. I've been doing it this way for at least 8 years.

Please advise!

Thank you,

Julius Titak

[JJMack]

Yes Adobe Photoshop has a new "Save a Copy" . Adobe should have kept  "Save  As" as it was and added a "Save Your Work" instead of  a "Save a Copy" that was "Save As" function  now "Save As"  is a "Save Your Work".  You have to edit your actions that use "Save As" if the "Save As" step was not recorded to save your layered. That Step will turn into an Interactive "Save As" PSD for your convenience A do be added a "Save a Copy..." Button to the "Save As" dialog so you can use it to switch to "Save a Copy"  then the Action can save the Jpeg your Action was recorded to do.  "Save As" can only save a Jpeg if you flatten your document first. So you  can add flatten in the actions before the "Save As" step  then after the "Save As" step back up in history to recover your layer.  That action will work in all versions of Photoshop not just 22.4

[D Fosse]

The Save As dialog now only shows formats that support all the current properties of the file.

Actually it makes perfect sense when you think about it. "Save" means saving the current state of the file. If you decide to throw out some of the file content for specific purposes, you save out a copy.

Anyway, Apple broke this and since they didn't want to change it, Adobe had no option but to work around it. So, Save A Copy is that workaround. It lets you directly save to all other formats, while leaving the original. To maintain platform parity, the Windows version was changed too.

This reverts to how Photoshop originally worked - only then you didn't even have Save A Copy. If you, for instance, wanted to save a layered file as jpeg, you simply couldn't, there was no way - for the simple reason it's not allowed in the jpeg specification. You had to get rid of all the offending properties before you could save.

The ability to directly save a jpeg-copy-on-the-fly was introduced sometime around CS4. But with Catalina, that function didn't work properly anymore (as evidenced by about a million threads over the last year or so), hence this necessary change.

[JJMack]

I believe saving a Photoshop PDF image file save all your Photoshop document layer so you can edits Photoshop PDF Image file in Photoshop.  Why do I not see Photoshop PDF in Save As.  I have seen users reporting PDF is missing in Save As.   Apple Change their file system.  Apple did not brake Photoshop.  Adobe should have added a fix Photoshop to work with with Apple changed file system.   Instead of doing that  Adobe added versions "Save a Copy" to Photoshop and  introduces a compatibility issue in Photoshop Save As  feature.

[MKHurder]

Exactly right, Julius. This a hassle for me too.  Sure they can change their SW however they like, but it makes no sense to add steps to an already tedious process.  Leave the "Save as" dialog as it has been for years.  More and more, I am shying away from Adobe as they seem to cater to some and not all.  BOOOOOOOOOO!  Bad update,  I rejected it five minutes after I updated.

[D Fosse]

Did you even read the post directly above yours?

[MKHurder]

Yes, and I don't particularly appreciate being surprised.  The explanation above was no clearer than my trying to figure it all out without an explanation from Adobe.  What I saw was Click "Save As" from the "File" drop-down menu, then check the "save a copy" option, then choose from another drop-down list - more steps.  Since I immediately uninstalled the latest revision to get back to what I was used to and like very much, It wasn't until today that I saw the "Save a copy" dialog in the "File"  drop-down menu when I re-installed the latest version.

Be clearer, Mr. Preofessional!

[MKHurder]

A bit of a follow-up to my previous rant.  I checked the "save a copy" box for one image and got the "jpeg" and all other save options back in the list.  Thinking I would still have to do that for every image, I tried a new one and all save options are still there without having to check the "save a copy" box.  Not sure if this will hold true for every set of images, but if so, it's not as bad as I thought.  They still could have notified us of the change and the workaround.

Signed - 

The Hothead. 🙄

[MKHurder]

OOF!  I'm losing it,  I based that last comment on the previous version.  I will reload the new version and try again.  Sorry for the misinformation.

Tepid head

[D Fosse]

I'll repeat the core of my post above:

The Save As dialog now only shows formats that support all the current properties of the file. If you decide to throw out some of the file content for specific purposes, you Save A Copy.

As for why, read the rest of the post.