P: Provide support for Linux (2011)

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

I was wondering if Adobe released any Photoshop versions for Linux? Because I looked everywhere in Adobe's site but I could not find any information.

[Matthias.G.ermany]

It's like a chicken egg issue.

I only use windows at my home office system because of the creative cloud requirements.

At office I have a iMac.

[kglad]

no matter what it is, for 2+ decades people have been extolling linux and claiming it's just a matter of time before it takes over the world (of computing systems).

[SomeGuyInTheLaptop]

I'm Windows user wanting to go to Linux, but I need Adobe software (like Photoshop, Illustrator, Dimension, and last Lightroom) and no dumb web app. I need that full app on Linux... Any Adobe devs tell me why there's no Adobe software on Linux. Everyone should be able to wasted money on something no matter what OS they are. No matter if Linux is like 3% of OS share market. I don't know if you guys (Adobe) have a deal with Mircosoft and Apple, but please give the poor penguin a try. People may hate on you guys because your software is not "open". There also people that don't care if there software is "open" or not. 

Adobe... Please give Linux a try. So me or other can move to Linux.

 

[AxelMatt]

There are the same question again and again for years and it happens nothing.

I also think it doesn't happen in the foreseeable future.

Gelöst: Waiting for Linux native softwares [Cloud on Linux... - Adobe Community - 10943296

[D Fosse]

As this was explained, many years ago by former Photoshop engineer Chris Cox, and re-explained at regular intervals since:

• Linux has a tiny market share to begin with
• Linux users generally don't want to pay for software. That's why they're Linux users
• The development and maintenance costs for Adobe are the same as for the major platforms
• Multiple Linux distributions fragment the already tiny market into several micro-markets
• Support for color management is severely lacking

In short, it's a dead duck. There's no way they could get a return on investment.

[SomeGuyInTheLaptop]

At my last post about this it was: "I need my Adobe apps on Linux. Because I want to go to Linux. Adobe please give Linux."

The community just said it will never happened and reasons why. I forgot that Adobe is a big tech company, and they don't care about the people (maybe). Well still Adobe should give Linux a try, but it will never happened. Unless they do it.

(My last post)

I'm Windows user wanting to go to Linux, but I need Adobe software (like Photoshop, Illustrator, Dimension, and last Lightroom) and no dumb web app. I need that full app on Linux... Any Adobe devs tell me why there's no Adobe software on Linux. Everyone should be able to wasted money on something no matter what OS they are. No matter if Linux is like 3% of OS share market. I don't know if you guys (Adobe) have a deal with Mircosoft and Apple, but please give the poor penguin a try. People may hate on you guys because your software is not "open". There also people that don't care if there software is "open" or not. 

Adobe... Please give Linux a try. So me or other can move to Linux.

[jane-e]

The community just said it will never happened

By SomeGuyInTheLaptop

The community does not know what Adobe will or will not do in the future. What we do know is the Photoshop for desktop is not available on Linux now and that Adobe has said they have no plans to develop it. System requirements here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/system-requirements.html

Photoshop for Web can be used on Linux right now with a paid subscription. Note that the web version is not full Photoshop. It is streamlined, like the iPad version and is missing many features. System requirements for PS on the Web here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/system-requirements-web.html

Jane

Forum volunteer

[davescm]

For the benefit of anyone reading, Adobe staff did set out a position in that other thread :

https://community.adobe.com/t5/the-lounge-discussions/waiting-for-linux-native-softwares-cloud-on-li...

Dave

[jane-e]

...and also in this Primary thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-ideas/p-provide-support-for-linux-2011/idi-p/1225...

I never expected Photoshop for iPadOS or Web, so we really don't know what Adobe will do in the future. We only know what they are doing and saying now.

Jane

[SomeGuyInTheLaptop]

I never expected Photoshop for iPadOS or Web, so we really don't know what Adobe will do in the future. We only know what they are doing and saying now.

By jane-e

Wait... So you think it may someday happend?

[Myra Ferguson]

My guess would be that if it made financial sense for Adobe to direct resources toward supporting Linux, then they would.

[davescm]

Exactly - given the comments from Adobe staff in the threads linked above, I would not hold my breath 🙂

Dave

[Myra Ferguson]

I agree. And for a related example, you might see how many apps have been ported to iOS but not Android. I suspect Android users who would like access to Adobe apps may outnumber Linux users.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@SomeGuyInTheLaptop you've received some pretty definintive responses from the previous post yet you post a new thread again. Please refer to the answer given on the previous post.

[Trevor.Dennis]

Using this chart from Staista — which gives us Internet users by OS rather OS users, but it's the best I could find — and accepting ProDesignTools estimate that 30 million people have paid for Creative Cloud subscriptions, and 'guessing' that they all use Photoshop, we can do the math and estimate that If Adobe did code Photoshop for Linux, another 3.25 people would pay for it.

[jane-e]

Wait... So you think it may someday happend?

By SomeGuyInTheLaptop

That's not what I said and you're trying to put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I have no idea what the future will bring.

I only know that in the present, Adobe Employee strawbo13 said, "We currently have no plans to build a version of Photoshop for Linux"... 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-ideas/p-provide-support-for-linux-2011/idi-p/1225...

...and retired former Adobe Principal Scientist Dov Isaacs said, "If it makes no business sense, then such versions are simply not going to be produced."

https://community.adobe.com/t5/the-lounge-discussions/waiting-for-linux-native-softwares-cloud-on-li...

Jane

Forum volunteer

[Conrad_C]

Also, there is already some history about this. Some years ago, Corel, once a major competitor to Adobe, released the CorelDRAW Graphics Suite for Linux. Corel had a chance to gain market share in the Linux market for commercial graphics suites, maybe beating Adobe in that market.

But, CorelDRAW Graphics Suite for Linux was not successful, and was quickly cancelled. Apparently there was not a significant Linux market for major commercial graphics suites, and no one else has tried since then. The popular commercial graphics suite by Affinity (Photo, Designer, Publisher) is also not available for Linux; their platforms are macOS, Windows, and iPad OS.

[Mary28105188tyfd]

The situation is changing, personal security that comes with non MS software is rising in importance for many people, and Linux itself is improving. I suggest you  search Amazon for Linux and you'll find loads of hardware products now, including mini computers which support Linux.

Moreover Adobe have mistakenly lost a segment of their former client base, those people who are not regular users of Photoshop so can't justify the significant monthly cost of the entire suite. This group have obviously shifted to free products but could be enticed back with the Linux compatibility offering. It's big enough for Blender to offer this.

[kglad]

just watch. in another year linux will rule the world. 

oh wait, that's what linux users said last year. and the year before, and the year before that etc.  check the date of rhe first post in this thread.

and next year, i predict... 

[roc97007]

Linux doesn't have to rule the world in order to be appropriate for certain focused applications. Adobe CC is a niche product, not something that everyone is likely to run on a multi-purpose computer. The machine on which I run CC doesn't have any other purpose. It exists for me to edit photos for my business.

And for God's Sake, it bluescreens about twice a day with a very unhelpful Windows error. I'd pay extra to be rid of Windows.

And no, Apple is out of the question. I made the switch to Windows in order to build a machine to my specifications, something extremely difficult with Apple's closed architecture.

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Ron

[kglad]

right.

[Conrad_C]

Also keep in mind that if Adobe does port an application like Photoshop to Linux, it is unlikely to be ported as a simple standalone application like GIMP. It will probably be tightly connected with all of the cloud services that the Windows and Mac versions are now inextricably tied to. It would very likely be a cloud-based installer that also installs numerous networked components to support those Creative Cloud services, such as Adobe Fonts (which are fully cloud-based), Cloud Documents, Creative Cloud Libraries, maybe Lightroom Photos (in the cloud), Share for Review, and other Creative Cloud services. And they might need to develop and install a framework to allow the Adobe Color Engine to provide a proper layer for color management (I’m not sure if Linux has the same quality of OS-level color management that Windows and macOS have).

I only bring this up because a number of Windows and macOS users have already posted in this Community with questions about the number of non-optional Creative Cloud processes that are installed even with just one application, listed in OS process managers along with their RAM and CPU footprints, set to persistently run as background processes, and some maintaining their own network connections back to their cloud services. Many people use Linux because of a strong desire to maintain more manual control over their system configurations, but any Creative Cloud apps that become available on Linux would probably also not let the user control or permanently disable any of those networked Creative Cloud background processes.

And again, if a Linux market is viable, it should be relatively easy to convince a smaller company like Affinity that they would see a nice first mover advantage over Adobe on Linux if they would just port their apps, and that might show Adobe that they should do Linux too. But nobody seems to be pursuing that opportunity, except Corel who actually tried it, and then gave up.

I’m personally not opposed to Linux ports at all, I sincerely hope you get them…I’m just sayin' 🙂

[chiddekel]

The Adobe has developer with skils to code outstanding functionality in their software. It's not market share it's what library and the stack Software can be easy migrate to Linux with existed code base. It's just to much work to make Fedora or Ubuntu Version.Why?

For Linux we have now only reasonable "Portal API" is system agnostic.

For 2D is skia.

For 3D opengl on Linux we can use messa.

For Gnome we have developer platform guide.

For KDE we have developer platform guide too.

For packages there is Deb (Ubunt) and RPM (Fedora) format.

Universal package :package: on Linux: Flatpak, Snap, Appimages.

https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/portal-api-reference.html

https://skia.org/about/

https://www.mesa3d.org/

https://developer.gnome.org/

https://develop.kde.org/docs/

https://snapcraft.io/

https://appimage.org/

[chiddekel]

There is one solution that could work out of the box.

Compile the whole software against wine library.

In such way - there is possibility to incorporate the wine source library. Less work more effect. Ouput will be binary compatibilities with Linux target :direct_hit:

[chiddekel]

On Visual studio Linux output with wine source instruction look like that:

To create a Linux binary using Visual Studio and the Wine source library for an existing codebase, you can follow these steps:  1. **Install Visual Studio and Wine**:    - Ensure Visual Studio is installed on your Windows machine.    - Obtain the Wine source library, which allows Windows applications to run on Linux.  2. **Install Visual C++ for Linux Development in Visual Studio**:    - In Visual Studio, go to Tools -> Get Tools and Features.    - Install the “Visual C++ for Linux Development” extension.  3. **Open Your Existing Project in Visual Studio**:    - Open your existing codebase in Visual Studio.  4. **Configure Project for Linux Target**:    - Right-click on your project in the Solution Explorer.    - Go to Properties -> Configuration Properties.    - Set the target system to Linux. Specify the connection information for a Linux machine or VM where the compilation will occur.  5. **Integrate Wine Library**:    - Include the Wine headers and link against the Wine libraries in your project settings.    - Ensure compatibility with the target Linux system.  6. **Modify Code for Linux Compatibility (if necessary)**:    - Review and modify your code to ensure it is compatible with Linux and the Wine environment. This might include conditional compilation, different API calls, etc.  7. **Build the Project**:    - Compile the project in Visual Studio. It uses the connected Linux machine or VM for the compilation process.  8. **Testing on Linux**:    - Test the compiled binary on a Linux environment to ensure it works correctly with Wine.  9. **Debug and Optimize**:    - Use Visual Studio's remote debugging features to debug any issues on the Linux machine.  10. **Deploy the Linux Binary**:     - Once you're satisfied with the testing, you can deploy the Linux binary.  Keep in mind that the performance and compatibility of your application can vary significantly depending on how well Wine supports the specific Windows APIs your application uses. Extensive testing in the target environment is crucial to ensure functionality.