Can I edit MOV files from Atomos Ninja V in PE2018?

[audio90]

Hi there, I did a video shoot today and the main camera was a Fuji XT3 and recording into an Atomos Ninja V. The shooter gave me the MOV files but they show up a green videos in Premiere Elements 2019.

Do I need to download Apple Quicktime 7.79 to get PE2018 to be able to edit them? Is there another, better way?

Please advise what I need to do in order to edit the files.

Thanks,

Ronald

[Steve Grisetti]

Open one of those MOV files in the free download MediaInfo. In MediaInfo, set View to Text and then copy the report the program generates and paste it to this forum.

The MOV format is not a compression system. It's just a file format or "envelope". MOVs can be made up of any of dozens of codecs or compression system, many of which are not easily editable.

[audio90]

Hi Steve, sure. Here it is:

General

Complete name                            : D:\2019-08-08 Natural Life photos video\Atomos Ninja\NINJAV_S001_S001_T001.MOV

Format                                   : MPEG-4

Format profile                           : QuickTime

Codec ID                                 : qt   2005.03 (qt  )

File size                                : 148 MiB

Duration                                 : 10 s 969 ms

Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

Overall bit rate                         : 113 Mb/s

Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime

com.atomos.hdr.gamut                     : Rec709

com.atomos.hdr.gamma                     : Rec709

com.atomos.hdr.monitormode               : Native

com.apple.proapps.image.{TIFF}.Make      : Atomos

com.apple.proapps.image.{TIFF}.Model     : NinjaV

com.apple.proapps.image.{TIFF}.Software  : 10.01

Video

ID                                       : 2

Format                                   : ProRes

Format version                           : Version 0

Format profile                           : 422

Codec ID                                 : apcn

Duration                                 : 10 s 969 ms

Bit rate mode                            : Variable

Bit rate                                 : 109 Mb/s

Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

Frame rate mode                          : Constant

Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS

Color space                              : YUV

Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2

Scan type                                : Progressive

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.187

Stream size                              : 142 MiB (96%)

Writing library                          : atms

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Color primaries                          : BT.709

Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709

Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio

ID                                       : 1

Format                                   : PCM

Format settings                          : Little / Signed

Codec ID                                 : in24

Duration                                 : 10 s 969 ms

Bit rate mode                            : Constant

Bit rate                                 : 4 608 kb/s

Channel(s)                               : 4 channels

Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz

Bit depth                                : 24 bits

Stream size                              : 1.51 MiB (1%)

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Other

ID                                       : 3

Type                                     : Time code

Format                                   : QuickTime TC

Duration                                 : 10 s 969 ms

Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS

Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00

Time code, striped                       : Yes

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-08-08 14:14:42

[Bill Sprague · Accepted solution]

Your screen shot shows a codec of "apch" and a format of "Prores".   Those are wonderful for those that use Apple computers and Apple's Final Cut Pro software.  Premiere Elements on a Windows PC is wonderful for more common H.264 codecs in MP4 file containers.

You can also look read a potential solution here:  Issues while importing MOV file with ProRes video format | Windows

I've never tried to convert ProRes files.  Googling for it suggests it can be done.  Here is one YouTube that says it can be done with the free and very good program called "Handbrake".

Converting ProRes to MPEG 4 with Handbrake - YouTube 

[Ann Bens]

Its a codec issue.

Solution is in the doc in post 3 by editing the debug database txt.

[audio90]

Thanks everyone.

Yes, it was the Prores Codec Issue.

I found that Handbreak did give usable results if I set the conversion bitrate at 50,000. However, installing the Quicktime drivers allowed me to import the actual files into PE2018.

Not sure if I should keep the Quicktime player on my computer, since Apple is no longer supporting it. But it works.

[Ann Bens]

You can remove the player and keep the codec.

I would not convert Prores with Handbrake; you will loose your 4.2.2 subsampling.

[Bill Sprague]

The risk of keeping Quicktime on you computer is a potential malware threat.  It is exists, it is in Quicktime.exe.  Some will name Quicktime.exe to something else.   I've not done it, but I also have read the the Quicktime windows installer has a "codecs only" option.

[Steve Grisetti]

Actually I think the file you want to disable is QuicktimePlayer.exe, Bill. Though as you say, disabling that particular file allows you to take advantage of the Quicktime codecs without leaving the player itself vulnerable to attack.

[Ann Bens]

This is how:

[Bill Sprague]

Thank you Steve and Ann.

[audio90]

One thing unexpected happened. I went and "uninstalled" the Quicktime Player through the Quicktime install window. The files still show up in PE2018. Thasts good.

But now, my normal WIndow's Media Player doesn't play MP4 videos anymore. Do I need to update or reinstall it now?

[Ann Bens]

You dont need QT to play mp4 on WMP.

Your WMP is corrupt.

Google error message: losts of solutions.

[Ann Bens]

Alternative use the VLC player.