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P: Premiere Pro 24.4 Program Monitor Scrolls

Community Beginner ,
May 23, 2024 May 23, 2024

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I just noted after the 24.4 update, My source & Program monitor up & down rollers/scrolls on the sides just vanished or missing. Not sure if this still part of the zoom in, zoom out or use of hand tool new updates which has cause this to be removed or a bug - but, kindly let me know if anyone has experienced this issue. The screengrab below.

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Community Expert , May 23, 2024 May 23, 2024

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Community Beginner ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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BUMP again. I've always used the mouse wheel to scroll frame by frame backwards or forwards in the program monitor and now it just zooms, which is why I stopped using the Beta version. I can't find where to change this setting ANYWHERE

 

 

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Participant ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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Read the post, it's in the monitor program in the timeline ruler, the option didn't dissappear, they just change the focus for it and didn't tell us. 

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Community Beginner ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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Yeah I don't want the ruler, I want the whole video like it's been for a decade.....

 

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Participant ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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Adobe just crashed 2 times this month,

 

Update bios, drivers and becarefull if you use any kind of overlay programs, can crash many programs. 

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Explorer ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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Hi Adobe Fam,

 

First, I love the new update (May 2024). Lots of great new features which are well thought out! Thank you.

 

One thing I'm not a fan of is how the mouse scroll function now behaviors on the program monitor. Usually, I could just move my mouse there and scroll and the my position bar on the timeline would move forward or back. Keep in mind I'm using a Kensington Orbit Fusion mouse.

Now, this action zooms in / out on the program monitor and I have to be extra careful to position my mouse over the program monitor's smaller scroll section. I love the idea behind the easy zoom in and out, but I'm curious if we could make that a shift-scroll function or a toggle switch.


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Participant ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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With +SHIFT it's +5 frames.

 

So control it would be nice, but for now since I discover where it went, I'm OK. 

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Explorer ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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I don't use the keyboard at all for editing. I have a specific setup and speed is the most important part. Moving my hand to the keyboard is a waste of time. 

I use a programmed gamepad and Kensington Orbit mouse. Yes, the feature is still there if I take the extra few moments to place my mouse in the specific spot, but my point being that extra time it takes is hundreds of extra seconds per day and that's costing money to clients and my capacity to work efficiently.

It's so much easier to just wing the mouse over the program monitor and scroll. That efficiency is needed. This could just be a setting change.

But as I mentioned in another comment, I think the best solution actually would be to make the timeline scroll behavior change based upon where the mouse is INSIDE the timeline. For example, if we have the mouse in the Video layers portion, it scrolls the playhead, and if the mouse is in the Audio layers portion, it scrolls the entire timeline panel as it already does.

That would be epic because it would cut down on mouse movement and save time.

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 04, 2024 Jun 04, 2024

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This is the correct answer, they changed how to zoom and disabled the previous options. whould be nice if the release team said something about it or the engineers made it so we could use both features? i.e. can zoom in and out of program window with mouse and also assigned shortcuts. I litterlly spent about 1hr trying to find the solutions when i could be 1hr further in my edit..... 

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 04, 2024 Jun 04, 2024

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DANG! I'm so bummed... I loved this function and I came straight to here to find if someone found a work around. I hope Adobe's engineers hear this chatter and make that a function we can apply. At least make the zoom function (which is cool, for sure) a SHIFT + Scroll. Idk, that's my opinion. Thanks for doing the hard work and looking for a fix.

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 04, 2024 Jun 04, 2024

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**UPDATE**
Shortly after posting my response, I found out that the STILL exists!! So instead of using the entire Program monitor and scroll wheel your way through the timeline... take your mouse and hover over the timeline that's in the Program monitor and it'll work. Of course, one wrong move and you'll be zooming into the pixels on your Program (lol)

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Community Expert ,
Jun 04, 2024 Jun 04, 2024

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 05, 2024 Jun 05, 2024

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Ohh okay I see, alright thanks!

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New Here ,
May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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I noticed this too.  Ridiculous.

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New Here ,
May 29, 2024 May 29, 2024

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i just cracked it. press ctrl and scroll your mouse wheel. and thats it. if you just want to zooom in or out press alt and the same thing with the mouse wheel/ or shift + alt and the mouse wheel.

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Explorer ,
May 30, 2024 May 30, 2024

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Doesn't work for me. Did you changed some preferences?

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Engaged ,
Jun 05, 2024 Jun 05, 2024

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There's not a single combination of keys for trackpad users on Mac that renables the ability to pan the program view. The only current solution is to waste time flipping back and forth to the hand tool.

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Engaged ,
Jun 05, 2024 Jun 05, 2024

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(You) handicapped our workflow with the absolutely unnecessary requirement to now use the hand tool to pan around the program view.

Bring back the scroll wheels and create a interface cutomization or hotkey function within the program settings and get someone who actually uses a macbook pro or trackpad on the interface team.

Mod note: Edited for content. Please respect the members of the community, including Adobe employees. Off-topic comments are OK in the Video Lounge forum.

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Jun 05, 2024 Jun 05, 2024

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Mods don't whitewash my commentary to cover poorly executed deployment by corporate. I can 100% call upon the active and ongoing decline of Adobe's quality because of badly researched execution by creating more problems than solutions and actively compare such execution to the evolution of market competition because of workflow impairment.

 

Code the solution and respond promptly instead of hiding from it. We're not paying YoY increases for this.

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Explorer ,
May 27, 2024 May 27, 2024

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Now I really have a giant issue with this update and I hate it from the bottom of my heart. When I try to hover over the clip on playback area now it adjusts the zoom of the clip and doesn't go frame by frame. Why in hell would I need to adjust my zoom of the clip and not have a proper frame by frame with mouse scroll???? How to revert that feature. I HATE IT!

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May 27, 2024 May 27, 2024

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Just have your focus on the timeline panel.

 

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May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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Have you tried keyframing by hand and adjusting positions for each frame... The method you are talking works but what I would've done before for 10min, now I have to do for 30mins....

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May 27, 2024 May 27, 2024

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I need to get out of it, the frame by frame with mouse WHEEL was perfect before, why I can't desactivate this. c'mon, it's horrible.

Please if you fix it let me know pls!!!

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May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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@Sherex I left a big ol' long replay for @Mr.De , but for you as well. Jump to the P.S. for quickest current answer I have (having just opened the latest update myself, will do more exploring later)

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May 28, 2024 May 28, 2024

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SKIP TO P.S. AT THE END OF COMMENT FOR TL;DR

Anytime Adobe adds alternative functionalities such as this to their software, they always provide a rollback function somewhere to meet peoples personal preferences. I for one was not a fan of the new context menus in the layers panel in photoshop as I was so accustomed to where everything was from years of muscle memory. But of course a quick shuffle through the preferences and I was able to revert it. I used to always get ticked off at those kinds of changes, but in time I discovered that a lot of them did actually improve the overall functionality and it was only my muscle memory that didn't agree with how it felt, once I "got used to" the changes, in hindsight I would realize they were good changes, BUT for the ones I simply refused to change my ways, 99.9% of the time, there is some "use legacy whatever function" check box laying around somewhere. I haven't really dived into the newest premiere update yet so I can't say for certain, but I'm willing to bet before even looking that this is the case here as well. And before I even look, just based off my instincts, I'm going to guess it's in the wrench menu in the program monitor screen. Total guess, but odds are pretty good.

In closing though to actually answer your question, with further integration of MOGRTS and graphic design tools being integrated into premiere (minimizing the need for after effects on projects with more minimal graphics such as basic typography), Adobe seems to be giving more thought to Premiere less as solely an editing application, but also with more mograph integration. You'll notice right away that After Effects has LONG functioned in this manner, which is very useful when focusing on graphics.

P.s. I opened premiere and on a quick glance, if you use your scroll wheel at the base of the screen it functions as you are wanting. Where it has the timecode and "fit/scale" on the left, and "full/resoluton", the wrench icon and timecode on the right, use your scroll wheel there and anywhere below there, ie where the little mini timeline that looks like a ruler with a mini playhead, and below that where the cusomizable buttons are, use scroll where anywhere in that area and it scrolls the playhead instead of the zoom function, which I believe is what you are speaking of if I'm not grossly mistaken. Hope that is helpful, will comment back if I spot a "toggle zoom" checkbox in my travels.

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Explorer ,
May 30, 2024 May 30, 2024

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I figured that almost immidiately: "Where it has the timecode and "fit/scale" on the left, and "full/resoluton", the wrench icon and timecode on the right, use your scroll wheel there and anywhere below there, ie where the little mini timeline that looks like a ruler with a mini playhead, and below that where the cusomizable buttons are, use scroll where anywhere in that area and it scrolls the playhead instead of the zoom function, which I believe is what you are speaking of if I'm not grossly mistaken." 
But let me ask you, have you tried masking frame by frame using hand and moving mask on each frame... Now I have to go up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down... This has become more of a workout for my hand, not really a muscle memory issue. I looked everywhere and I couldn't find "toggle zoom" box.

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