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December 6, 2018
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AMD Ryzen 7nm coming...

  • December 6, 2018
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There is a decent chance that they will outperform intel mainstream chips like the 9900k. Rumored up to 16 cores @ 4-5Ghz.

Does anyone know if Adobe knows why AMD performance is poor in premiere? (talking timeline scrubbing and general snappiness). I hear that AMD works well for resolve, so it not like there's an architecture problem across the board.

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    gigeli82367597
    gigeli82367597
    Inspiring
    December 7, 2018

    There could be 2 things :

    1. Amd doesn't have enough market share to warrant spending money on updating the code for them

    2. Intel has some deal with Adobe that prevents any other manufacturer of hardware to get proper optimizations

    It is strange that some tech that exists for almost a decade is still not used in Adobe, VCE and NVENC, it's what Intel calls Quicksync.

    If Adobe would ever consider using VCE or NVENC, then those  8-10-16 cores CPU's would be obsolete, the trend is more GPU and less CPU.

    If there is a chance for AMD to outperform Intel in Adobe is only if it just works, i doubt there will ever be a line of code written for AMD, and updates might break any performance advantage AMD has, so you still have to pay premium prices for Intel CPU's.

    I hope i am wrong but right now AMD is not even  listed in the requirements for CPU for premiere pro, that is also strange.

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
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    December 10, 2018

    I've talked through this with the engineers at NAB ... and the big thing about AMD up until recently is the pipeline within AMD chips just didn't mesh with the type of structure they needed coded. The AMD chips (both CPU and GPU) have been awesome especially for the price in gaming ... but the utilization of both within PrPro is completely different than gaming apps.

    Now, things are changing ... and the Adobe engineers are rather happy that AMD is going after meeting the needs of the type of code they use. So ... the idea that they have some thing for Nvidia is not correct. It's been totally a techie thing.

    As they go along, and get more familiarity with the AMD code capabilities, we users will get more and better use of the AMD gear in the app ... which will be good, competition being a joy to behold for gear users.

    As to the list of supported stuff ... forget that, really. They don't have the time nor put the effort into working with stuff for testing gear, so it's pretty useless. Notice how much Nvidia stuff isn't listed either? Yea ... focus on the overall spec needs.

    There are some things that were listed on the PPBM8 website for comparisons of various CPU/GPU parts, that included a number of the newer AMD gear. And also look at the Puget Systems, ADK, and SafeHarbor Computing sites for info and build ideas/models.

    Even with Nvidia, most CPU's, even the powerful ones, do not do well comparatively with PrPro. Many mobo's have their "lanes" apportioned to resources in such a way the mobo is one huge logjam by the time we through in massive GPU's, extra m.2 disc cards, Deckling/AJA/Kona cards, the sorts of things that we need in pro video post.

    Read through this forum, go to those builder's websites for info and examples ... takes a bit of time to get a good handle on this.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
      gigeli82367597
      gigeli82367597
      Inspiring
      December 11, 2018

      https://forums.adobe.com/people/R+Neil+Haugen  wrote

      I've talked through this with the engineers at NAB ... and the big thing about AMD up until recently is the pipeline within AMD chips just didn't mesh with the type of structure they needed coded. The AMD chips (both CPU and GPU) have been awesome especially for the price in gaming ... but the utilization of both within PrPro is completely different than gaming apps.

      I have to disagree, companies much smaller like black magic design or Magix who makes Vegas pro have no problem using AMD chips, right now both of these NLE's work flawlessly with powerful GPU's and 32 cores Cpu's, i bet you years will pass and nothing will change for Premiere.

      Just check Puget Systems results, Intel will dominate in Adobe no matter how good a CPU AMD can do, switch to another software and you get much faster video stabilization, fast tracking for masks and perfect timeline performance when color grading.

      Right now a tablet from apple  ( Ipad pro ) can  cut h.264 4k flawlessly, i guess when we will reach a point when you can do complicated edits on a tablet we might get an upgrade in performance.

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