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Disk Setup for Editing

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July 9, 2020
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Upgrading Sons 3 year old Editing PC, add more Ram from 16gb to 64gb, upgrade Ryzen 1700X CPU TO Ryzen 9 3900X or XT, and upgrading all internal drives to the following setup, and i need advice on whether this looks ok.

He mostly shoots 4.6k BRAW or 4.6k ProRes 422 HQ (25p and 50p) with his URSA Mini Pro G2 camera, and his average project Source files can vary between 500gb up to 1tb, hence the reason for the 2tb Samsung 860 Pro SSD's

Drive 1 = 512gb Samsung 970 Pro NVMe = Windows 10 Pro + Premier install + other apps

Drive 2 = 2tb Samsung 860 Pro SSD = Project Source Files

Drive 3 = 2tb Samsung 860 Pro SSD = Exports from Premier

Drive 4 = 1tb Samsung 860 Pro SSD = Premier Media Cache & Scratch Files

Drive 5 = 8tb Seagate 7200 3.5" mechanical drive = Storage - Dumping completed project files on.

My issue is, i always thought it was best to have a fast NVMe card for windows and software, have the project source files on one fast high capacity SSD, run the Premier export renders to another fast high capacity SSD, and have another fast but smaller capacity dedicated SSD for the Premier Media Cache and Scratch Files to go to, and then have a large capacity 3.5" Hard Drive to store the completed Project Files on before handing off to various external backup drives.

Can someone please tell me if this setup above might be close to what my Son should have.

These 5 drives will cost around $1300AUD after cash rebates from Samsung for the 4 SSD's and NVMe drives.

Cheers.

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salvo34

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https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0061921/

that doesn't list TV commercials.

I'm 70 and poor ( 22k a year fixed income ) but am lucky to live in HUD affordable housing apt. ( section 8). Now I just want to keep working some something of my own and so on... don't care about money.

My cameras and computer had to be good enough to use the rest of my life ( hopefully no crashes or accidents etc. ). So, I'm good.

With technology changing so rapidly ( and distribution and marketing etc..) young people should get what they need for about 4 years roughly. Then, if clients and payment pays for it, upgrade as needed.

Otherwide you just chase your tail trying to use the biggest new dimension and all that hype.

I'll probably be admonished for yappin about video lounge type tangents, in a hardware-centric forum.

glenpinnAuthor

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Wow man your work list is very impressive, and would have made me drool even more if you had worked on my favorite tv show, Schitts Creek which i have watched every episode of, and the very last episode ever is screening this coming Tuesday night, going to tape it as i have every other series/episodes and i will be watching them over and over till i die (i am 63 myself)

Cheers, and thanks for the chatter.

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salvo34

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Sounds like nice stuff to have. I hope the virus stuff lessens so that the film biz can get back to work. Everyone I know is dead in the water ( LA, NY, ATL, and the whole world basically ). I heard the Hobbit thing (Episodic TV) in NZ started up again a few weeks ago but probably with vastly reduced crews ( probably more 'units' ... like principle photography 1st unit becomes smaller 1st and new 2nd unit crews). Who knows.

If your son gets into ASC or local 600 or ANY dept. ( electric, grip, etc. ) he'll get some pension credits over the years and health insurance for himself and family. When people get older and more serious about staying in the film biz, there aren't that many choices that make sense.

Can become an equipment magnate ( rent out your stuff as vendor and your job as employee to the producer... OR just work for the wages and benefits.

OR become a producer director for commercial stuff ( TV commercials )...

That sort of choice ...

glenpinnAuthor

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We got a lot more lucky here in Australia with COVID-19 than most places, all states were basically free of the virus up until 2 weeks ago and then one State got 1 person who started the spread, and now that state is back in lockdown, but All other states still have restrictions to some degree, unlike the mess that Trump has caused in the USA, and now seems to have totally wiped his hands of, but still thinks everything is fine and nothing to wory about ??????

The film industry here is quite goot with several Holliwood movies coming back into production very soon, but getting work on those is impossible, and the work is not steady either.

My Son likes TV commercials for the creativity side, and he usually only accepts work when he will have a big say about how it needs to be shot.

Can't see him doing this until her retires, the money is great when you get work ($1500au per day) but not enough consisent work to go into retirement on.

glenpinnAuthor

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The following is my Sons current Camera gear, currently insured with AOM for $25,000

He is 27, studied Film & Television at Swinburne University in Melbourne (Aust) and he has been a freelance videographer and DOP for the past 6 years after Uni.

He has just seen the new BlackMagic URSA Mini 12k Camera, around $15,000 AUD and i dare say he will be wanting one of those some time in the next year or so, problem is BlackMagic are releasing new cameras quite often and it is hard not to want to upgrade eact time they do so.

- Black Magic URSA Mini Pro G2 Camera
- 4x 256gb Angelbird AV Pro CFast cards (fully supporded and tested for URSA Mini Pro)
- Light Pro Lp BP 160wh Vlock Battery
- Light Pro Lp Bp 95wh Vlock Battery
- Wooden Camera 19mm rail adapter
- Canon L Series Lens 24/105 Usm2
- Small Rig Arri Standard Dove Tail
- 2x Angelbird CFast card reader
- 4x 128gb Angelbird sdxc cards

- 4x 2tb Samsung T5 SSD

- Tilta Mattebox MBT12 Clamp
- Canon EOS 3 film SLR Camera
- Small Rig URSA accessory kit
- Canon EF 40mm pancake lens
- Nano 98wh Vlock Batteries
- Nano 98wh Vlock Batteries
- Canon Lpe6 (5) Batteries
- Small Rig Wooden Handle
- Samsung T5 SSD 500gb
- Hoya Variable Md Filter
- Light Pro Vlock Charger
- Lanparte Battery Pitch
- Small Hd 502 Bright
- Cinekenetic CineSaddle
- Sony (4) Np Batteries
- Fujifilm 23mm F2 lens
- Small Rig Handle Grips
- Fuji Film Xpro 2
- Small Rig Rails
- Camera Bag

- Manfrotto Tripod and Fluid Head (unsure of model)

- Editing PC built 3 years ago, now getting ready for the upgrade to a 16 core AMD Ryzen CPU, more Ram, and the new SSD and hard drive setup.

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salvo34

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So, the next thing you have to do for your son... if you don't mind me being a jerk with advice....

I just did this.. to shoot later.. in my little apt.

Nothing to do with editing computer. This is shooting. I put a black and white showcard on a grip stand and pointed that light up to make it a backlight ( bounced ) to see the smoke. I'll wave a cigarette around for the smoke when it gets dark out ( so backlight is only light ).

120 fps.... I got some stupid plan in mind to use a couple seconds of that shot when I get it tonight.

So, that's the next thing... he needs grip and electric equipment, fluid head, maybe wheeled head someday, more lenses for camera ( super speed prime and zoom and telephoto ) and TONS of stuff !!!!! So get to work and make more money !!!!!

hehe, I crack myself up. In reality he can rent most of that stuff when he needs it.

I think the virus thing is making me more satirical and silly than usual ...

glenpinnAuthor

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I posted a reply in response to the last post, but it seems to have been removed as Spam, which it was not, so how can i get the post back in here.

Peru Bob

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You can't. Please post it again.

Peru Bob

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I've movd this to the Hardware forum and unmarked it as being answered.

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salvo34

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Thanks for your last post. It sounds like you got a very good system for home use (better than most people have ).The info supplied by you more or less finalizes this thread and will hopefully help others when they search for answers about how to set up a computer for editing.

Good going !

glenpinnAuthor

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Oh, and here i was thinking that you was kind of having a shot at me or something, maybe i just misunderstood what you was actually saying.

I was kind of hoping that a few more members would come in here and post up alternative options so i could compare, however i do believe that the Drive Setup that i am installing in my Sons editing PC is as good as i could do for a non RAID setup, by using the fastest SDD drives i could get, and having a dedicated SSD for each task required during the editing process.

Cheers

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salvo34

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I guess this was a rhetorical question.

I just started a new project shooting 120fps into a 1080 timeline, and had to clean off the drives from previous projects (and cache etc. ).

Made me remember this thread which was geared toward wasting everyone's time with a rhetorical question, apparantly. The poster could mark his own answer as 'correct' and let it slide into oblivion,

glenpinnAuthor

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@ salvo24...... I am a bit confused, what was the point you was trying to make in your previous post ?

I took on board your suggestion to up the Drive 4 to at least 1tb, which is no problem, as i have been advised about this in another forum as well, but the only thing is that i have not seen anyone nobody advise as to whether this Cache drive needs to be a fast SSD or just a plain jane 5400/7200rpm sata hard drive.

I have seen dozens of videos on how to setup drives for video editing, but many of them are just way over the top and too complex and very very expensive options for my Situation, but i came to the conclusion that having multiple separate dedicated drives for each task is better than trying to get things done with minimal disks, and we want to try to avoid RAID at all costs right now, especially RAID-0 which many be fast, but have warned is not the most ideal.

I have updated my Drive setup in my first post above.

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Andy 1968

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You can backup the RAID setup daily with inexpensive internal hard drives. You should always have several backups duirng the editing process. Internal hard drives are less expensive than SSD. I see no reason not to use a RAID 0 setup along with hot swappable hard drive bays. That being said some people might find the video link below helpful.

https://youtu.be/df-RTSReQEI

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salvo34

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maybe up drive 4 to 1 TB if you can.

If he proxies BRAW to prores HQ they will be large files.

alternative is to leave as is and if he needs room temporarily he can change cache to your fast 7200 drive for that one project or whatever. At any rate he'll need to empty that cache when he's done with stuff.

If he gets someone else's stuff to edit, like some sony S log and he proxies that, same deal.

You have pretty much what I have except I DO use raid 0 for source stuff. More chance a drive will fail when you add drives ( paradoxical ) but it has worked OK for me. Also I wish I had got a larger cache drive ( 1 TB instead of 512 GB )

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salvo34

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p.s.

recommend all cache stuff goes on same drive...like bridge, AE, anything that creates cache.. just so you always know where that junk is.

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Andy 1968

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A SATA HD RAID 0 setup might be your best best. The RAID 0 setup should be faster enough to edit multiple layers of BRAW at 4K but also gives you much more storage for less money. The video link below might be worth checking out.

https://youtu.be/hfT9ivfbJ98

glenpinnAuthor

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If i was to use a RAID setup i would never use RAID 0 as it is not safe, because if one of the drives stuffs up, you lose everything, as your files are not duplicated over the 2 or more, they are spread out between all drives.

RAID 5 is the safest one, and i know many who use this, but the Editing my Son does is not so complex that he needs this type of setup, he has managed with multiple SSD's so far, he just needs larger capacity and faster SSD's to cope.

@mj

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Hi glenpinn,

That's a fairly descent spec.

Your son must be very proud to have you as a parental unit.

Consider throwing in larger Drive 1. This is where all system resources, fonts, plugins, etc are going to live.

hth

mj

glenpinnAuthor

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Hi, thanks for the reply, as for Drive 1, i was told that 512gb will be more than enough disc space just for Windows plus all installed software etc, however i was told to make this drive as fast as i can find, which i think is the Samsung 970 Pro NVMe, just to avoid any bottlenecks.

I know some people use a larger Windows drive because they also direct their Media Cache and Scratch Files to this drive, which i know is not the right solution.

I was told that Source Fiules, Export Drive and Cache/Screatch files should go to dedicated drives.

I will await to see if i get any further advice in here before i proceed with the upgrade.

Cheers, and thanks for your advice.

Ann Bens

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I agree 512gig for bootdrive is more then enough, I have a 250gig and still 100gig left.

and is does not have to be superfast.

The drive used for source files, cache etc needs to be fast.

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