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March 24, 2017
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Down to the Wire - Ryzen or Intel

  • March 24, 2017
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So, I've been getting the parts together for my new rig. I was basically planning to get Asus x99 Deluxe II with an i7-6850K. But I have been waiting to see if the price drops due to Ryzen, or even if I should go that direction. I'm don't think I'm an AMD type, but then again, maybe I could... Here's the parts I've purchased so far, which I think will work for either. Though the memory is on the QVL for the ASUS motherboard and I have no idea which motherboard to get if I went Ryzen. Any thoughts on whether the 6850k will be cheaper soon ($569 currently at B/H) and/or the wisdom of going AMD. Cheers!    

My Current Items:

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW2 icx
Noctua NH-D15S CPU Cooler
G.Skill TridentZ Series 64GB (4x16) - F4-3200C16Q-64GTZKW
Samsung 960 PRO 512Gb
Samsung 960 EVO 500Gb
Fractal Design R5 Case - Titanium
Corsair HXi Series HX850i 850W Power Supply
2 - Fractal Design FD-FAN-DYN-X2-GP14-WT 140mm Case Fans
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    MyerPj
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    MyerPjCommunity ExpertAuthor
    Community Expert
    March 28, 2017

    OK guys, thanks for the discussion. I dropped the hammer today, purchased the last two items for my new build:

    I7-6850k

    Asus x99 Deluxe II

    ...plus the bits I already have per the OP.

    I'll post my PPBM times next week when I put it all together. I think I'll do a minor overclock, maybe 4.0 or 4.1? Does that sound like a reasonable target?

    RoninEdits
    RoninEdits
    Inspiring
    March 29, 2017

    overclock will depend on the silicon lottery, but in general 4.2ghz is near max on broadwell-e. so even 4.1ghz overclock might be considered a "high" overclock, vs "minor" or low overclock.

    you may also want to look at intel's extra protection plan, its suppose to cover a fried overclock cpu.

    https://click.intel.com/tuningplan/

    MyerPj
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    MyerPjCommunity ExpertAuthor
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    March 29, 2017

    Do you know of a recommended overclocking guide? Reading a bit lately on it, it seems just enabling XMP does increase the performance. Is that considered overclocking for warranty

    chrisw44157881
    chrisw44157881
    Inspiring
    March 25, 2017

    because the price of intel chips is dropping so fast, amd is basically in a losing battle, even puget doesn't recommend selling it in their systems. but what they didn't do is overclock the living heck out of the amd chips.

    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-909/

    Memory leak/out of memory - Ryzen 1700X system

    AMD wins with unknown overclock ppbm8 there's also rumours about memory leaks.

    The way I see it, if you overclock to at least 4ghz or higher 4.1, then maybe it's worth it except maybe it will burn out after a while. We  still don't know the longevity of the chip. increasing voltage is like running a sports car at high RPM. sure it's fast, until it blows a piston ring. Then again, if you like overclocking, a 6900x super overlocked would still be faster anyway. Its a fan boy decision until we find out more.

    RoninEdits
    RoninEdits
    Inspiring
    March 25, 2017

    chrisw44157881  wrote

    because the price of intel chips is dropping so fast, amd is basically in a losing battle

    you make it sound like intel is going to have a massive price cut to their cpu's. where do you see this? do you really think intel is going to drop the price of its 8 core cpu to compete with the amd $330-500 cpu's?

    even puget doesn't recommend selling it in their systems

    puget is in the business of selling expensive computers. if you look thru several of their recommendations or articles, their recommendations are clearly there just for price markups. they also have their reputation to consider. so it makes sense for them to stick with the more known and expensive option. the only reason puget lists in that article for not choosing the amd is that its limited to 64gb. we already knew that limitation, but something we learned from the puget article is how well the amd cpu performs.

    Memory leak/out of memory - Ryzen 1700X system 

    AMD wins with unknown overclock ppbm8 there's also rumours about memory leaks.

    besides that one post, what other memory leak rumors?

    The way I see it, if you overclock to at least 4ghz or higher 4.1, then maybe it's worth it except maybe it will burn out after a while. We  still don't know the longevity of the chip. increasing voltage is like running a sports car at high RPM. sure it's fast, until it blows a piston ring. Then again, if you like overclocking, a 6900x super overlocked would still be faster anyway. Its a fan boy decision until we find out more.

    why do you only see value at 4-4.1ghz? wouldn't the 50-70% savings still be worth it at 3.8ghz or lower? why is it a fan boy decision when there is so much info about ryzen already out?

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    March 25, 2017

    Well I have preliminary results which says that the using my Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) that the AMD Ryzen $330 CPU (with a $200 motherboard) equals my $1000 Intel i7-5960X in running a CPU intensive Premiere Pro benchmark.  It is going to take more tests and other users results before we can be sure, but indications are that is truly the case.  I would love to test it myself but that takes money that I do not have.

    These two results (three test runs) that I have received are using the Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5.

    I have now published an update to my CPU ranking on PPBM8

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