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dazzin
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March 16, 2017
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Fast Xenon 2690 slower than i7 4790?

  • March 16, 2017
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My friend and i are beginners in video editing and are struggeling getting faster rendering/analyze times.

He has upgraded from an old Mac Pro 2.1 with dual Xenons, the new PC Computer got almost identical times as the Mac Pro.

My Computer with i7 4790 (Not K) is almost twice as fast, how does that come?

My computer

Intel i7 4790 (4 Cores)
20GB Ram PC3 128000
SSD 128GB

Quadro K2200

My friends computer.

Intel Xeon E5 2690 (8 Cores)
32GB Ram PC3 12800
SSD 256GB

Quadro 2000

Track camera in a 30 seconds movie:

~2 min with my computer

~4 min with my friends computer

How to improve our rendering times?

Best Regards

Daniel

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    PSJ_83
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    March 28, 2017

    I want to thank you all for very good suport and super friendly reception!

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    PSJ_83
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    March 27, 2017

    Okay, now my GTX 680 is in my computer, bad or not it's there

    here is a pic of the size-diferense. i know size doesn't matter but its a impresive peas of card.

    So i installd al the defalt driver and PP worked perfect.

    as you can se is the SSD is not working fast. Dont know why. i made a test a few days aga and i got ~500/500mbs

    today i got this..

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    RjL190365
    Legend
    March 28, 2017

    Unfortunately, this joy may be very short-lived. Who knows what the next major release of Premiere Pro CC may bring (in terms of MPE GPU acceleration support)? That is exactly why I did not, and still don't, recommend getting any older GPU that is on the brink of becoming EOSL'd.

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    PSJ_83
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    March 28, 2017

    ok, time will tell then

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    PSJ_83
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    March 27, 2017

    It's hard to fin a better card for the money. $50 is more or less a bargin if you look at the preformance vs money, I hope.

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    RjL190365
    Legend
    March 27, 2017

    In spite of that GPU being listed in the Adobe-recommended list, it may not work properly or even at all in GPU-accelerated mode. In fact, if that GTX 680 requires CSM support enabled when used in an EFI system, you may be forced to permanently lock Premiere to the MPE software-only mode just to even get it to work at all.

    Why? Because Adobe has ceased (or more specifically, put a moratorium on) testing newer GPUs for MPE GPU acceleration compatibility, and Adobe has been dropping older GPUs from it's MPE GPU acceleration support. That GTX 680 is, indeed, on the verge of being dropped completely from Adobe's GPU support list.

    Addendum: Adobe has also put further development of MPE on hiatus. As such, older GPUs get dropped from Adobe's MPE GPU support while adding no new features or feature support to the MPE GPU acceleration.

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    PSJ_83
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    March 24, 2017

    Thank you so mutch Bill

    So with a nice GPU the result will be better?

    On monday i will have a GTX 680, that wuld do it

    I have also replaced the 250gb samsung with a new 525 gb Crucial that reads and writes ~500MB/s.

    Hope the results will be better.

    I have even thought about closing of two or four cores to maximize the "turbo frequency". What do you think about that?

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    March 24, 2017

    PSJ_83  wrote

    Thank you so mutch Bill

    1.  So with a nice GPU the result will be better?

    2.  On monday i will have a GTX 680, that wuld do it

    3.  I have also replaced the 250gb samsung with a new 525 gb Crucial that reads and writes ~500MB/s.

    4.  Hope the results will be better.

    5.  I have even thought about closing of two or four cores to maximize the "turbo frequency". What do you think about that?

    1. Yes that should improve both GPU scores.
    2. You may have to do some experimenting with drivers to find one that works well
    3. I have not seen that bad write performance on any of my Samsung 840 Pro SSD's is that a 840 EVO?
    4. They will be better!
    5. I have never tried that but doubt that will help and actually think it will increase your CPU intensive score
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    PSJ_83
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    March 24, 2017

    It's not a pro just 840, but far from the samsung spec.

    The GTX680 is one of the cards that is "certified" by Adobe acording to this:

    Premiere Pro System Requirements for Mac OS and Windows

    I hope it will be a clean installation and work fine with the latest drivers.

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    PSJ_83
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    March 21, 2017

    I made a new test.

    This time with a separate SSD (Samsung 840).

    The strangest thing is the H.264 time!

    Last test is with no CUDA.

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    March 23, 2017

    Notice your results on # 1 above where your Disk I/O export time of 250 MB/s matches the ~250 MB/sec sequential write rate of the CrystalDiskMark scores.  This is not as good as a good SATA III SSD Should do but much better than any hard disk drive.

    Your H.264 score is reasonable without CUDA assistance, this laptop with GPU acceleration turned off scores 1385 seconds and my 8-core i7-5960X at 4.5 GHz is 411 seconds

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    PSJ_83
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    March 21, 2017

    Oh, now i feel stupid

    Here is my results.

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    PSJ_83
    Participating Frequently
    March 21, 2017

    It's very strange results compared with Dazzin. The computers are still quite similar in performance but still it's very big difference in the results.

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    March 16, 2017

    It is hard to tell with the information provided so far.  If you want to download my Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) and run that on both machines if will let us know with this well establish benchmark where your strengths and weakness's may be.  It has four tests with ability to test the CPU, GPU, and disk system.  Just post the results of the Output.csv files here and I will comment on those results.

    The Xeon does seem like it should be more powerful because it has more cores and threads but it is two years older than the i7 PC so it may be lacking some newer instructions.  By the way does it have dual Xeons?

    The i7 PC has a more powerful GPU, but we do not know if your media even uses any of the GPU accelerated effects and features.

    We do not know where your project files are located and how many storage devices you have, surely you have more than just the one SSD listed for each system.

    I do have posted the CPU results from another i7-4790

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    dazzinAuthor
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    March 16, 2017

    Thanks for replying!

    I will do the test and post results, interesting!

    At the moment i only got 1 SSD in the machine, the OS-disk. I have read about setups with multiple disk för media, scratch disk etc. It havent been my nr1 priority, i got a couple of disks to be installed, just want to figure out how i want/need everything to work.

    The clip i was editing.

    1GB 1920*1080 .MOV 2:36

    I only edited the first 30 seconds as a test to compare our cumputers.

    The result was the same with Mercury GPU / Software setting.

    /Daniel

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    dazzinAuthor
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    March 16, 2017

    A Little bit uncertain about step 8.

    Select MPEG2-DVD? Then what, a second export?

    I havent done anything with MPEG2-DVD. I ran the export and then tried to open "Statistics PPBM11 CC.vbs" but i get an error (Row 72). Cant find the file?

    Perhaps the output of "Disk Test" is wrong, where should it be placed? Cant find any information of that.

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