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January 6, 2018
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High Spec Laptop - TERRIBLE Timeline/Preview Performance

  • January 6, 2018
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I just don't get it. PRP 2014 was butter smooth even on my older machines. Here is my current setup and issue in more detail.

CURRENT LAPTOP SPECS:

Aorus X5 i7-5700 quad core

3K Laptop Screen

32 GB RAM

965m X2 GPU in SLI

Samsung 850 Pro SSD - 2TB (footage drive)

Samsung 850 Pro 512GB X2 Raid 0 (program and os drive)

... to be clear, that's 3TB of high speed SSD drives in a laptop

2 external 1920 x 1080 Samsung Monitors

FOOTAGE:

GH5 Camera

4K @ 60 FPS

PROJECT SETTINGS:

4K Resolution

23.9 fps

Preview Resolution - 1920 x 1080 (full, 1/2, 1/4, and 1/8 preview quality yeild exact same results)

CUDA acceleration enabled

24GB RAM set in reserve for Premiere Pro use... i mean overkill.

PROBLEM:

The moment I begin to play from the timeline, after about 2 seconds I drop frames to about 1 or 2 frames per second. This then drops even further to around 1 frame every 5 or 6 seconds. This makes any sort of video editing virtually impossible. I never had this problem with 2014. Just upgraded to CC a few months ago and have yet to have a single edit go smoothly. Have checked CPU/GPU usage and temps. No throttling or any other obvious issue. What on Earth is going on?!? With these kind of specs, the timeline should be super smooth. Especially given the annual massive costs. What am I paying for? Also... no 24/7 support? That is just weird.

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Participating Frequently
March 10, 2018

Hi All,

So after trying on cc 2014 I have better results, but still enough of the same problems to determine that you are all probably correct (no surprise there) and that these issues are likely NOT related to my hardware or Adobe, but simply the format of my original footage. As I am NOT a professional film-maker, my understanding of these details are fairly limited, and I have never transcoded or proxied anything. Don't really understand what that means or how to do it. Anyone have a good video link to a tutorial on the best settings for transcoding or working with proxies with 4k60 fps footage, specifically from GH5 or Phantom 4 Pro?

Or someone want to hold my hand and walk me through it? I am willing to try your suggestions, just not sure how to do it or where on earth to begin.

Wouldn't it be nice if I could just edit off my original files? Why not? Ugh.

Inspiring
March 10, 2018

transcoding is easy peasy. Use adobe media encoder and transcode that GH5 or Phantom 4 footage to an edit friendly codec like Pro-res or DnxHD and you'll eliminate any and all laggy playback.

How to Use Adobe Media Encoder CC - YouTube

Participating Frequently
February 16, 2018

Hi All,

Here's an update. After disassembly and re-pasting of the thermal compound on GPUs and CPU, no change whatsoever in any usage or temps. So I spent 2 days backing up 3TB of footage and files, formatted my c: drive and reset windows. After reinstalling all my programs (headach) I load my PRP timeline. During playback CPU usage is now maxing out around 80% - 85%! WOOHOO! I suppose some hacker had CPU jacked my PC for mining. Now it runs so much cooler, and never comes near the previous 99%... and yet.

SAME. EXACT. PROBLEM. (face-palm).

So now with all hardware running at very very very reasonable usages (CPU around 80% during playback, disks, RAM, and GPUs also barely touching 40% usage and staying well cooled... I am left with the conclusion that the new CC simply is much worse at handling this footage, as PRP 2014 was butter smooth on this exact same machine.

I am going to experiment with this proxy footage (why do I have to bother wasting even more storage space with this. Surely this $650/y annual fees should be enough to get me a pro editing program that can handle GH5 and Phantom 4 footage smoothly with my overkill hardware.... especially given that the old PRP 2014 handled this perfectly....)

I will also look over all your suggestions and see what else can be done. In the meantime.... also reinstalling PRP 2014 and canceling my annual subscription. Paying for what...? THANKS ADOBE!

Inspiring
February 17, 2018

I too think your main problem isn't your computer specs or Adobe CC 2018. It's the GH5 and Phantom 4 formats. Transcode that material and your issues will disappear. I never edit with any H.264 footage because the processing power required is way too high and will clog the system. Likewise with Long-GOP.

Participating Frequently
January 22, 2018

Yep I'm running windows 10. Legit versions all around.

Just tried to see if I had any different results with some phantom 4 pro footage. .mov files at 4K @60fps. Exactly the same. Hundreds of dropped frames. I always close all programs in the background... but again. I have 32GB of RAM. I have even set a system reserve of 12gb of ram. That means PRP has access to 20GB of RAM..... That's nearly triple what my old laptop had and that machine had no problem with footage of any kind.

So I may have found the bottleneck, but I still don't understand why it's causing a slow down. On half quality preview, during timeline playback, all of my drives hover at 1%-5% usage. Ram is around 25%. However CPU jumpsup to 90%, or even 95% when it gets real slow. On simple titles it drops back down to around 50%. With footage its jumps back up to 90%, then hovers around 85%.

I'm going to contact their support and see if they can walk me through my troubles. There is no reason this should not be butter smooth.

Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
January 23, 2018

If (as I suggested earlier you run my Premiere Pro BenchMark we can tell if you are tuned properly, it tests CPU, GPU, and your storage disk.  Submit the results and I will try to give you some help.  You have a better laptop than I and I see no reason why it cannot provide you better results.  The other way to try to help you is for you to make one of your problem clips for us to test.

I just noticed your SLI connected GPU's is there any way to remove the SLI connection it is not recommended.

Participating Frequently
January 18, 2018

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the feedback, but this is not resolving this question. There is no question about my drives being too slow. Having my OS split between 2 m.2 drives is how the laptop came from the factory, and moving it to one makes little sense as it would cut the speed. RAID 0 across 2X 256 GB lite-on M.2 drives gives me insane speeds for read/write for OS and applications. I am not concerned about data loss as everything is backed up onto an external 20TB RAID 0.

Codec is standard GH5 .mov file. I am using the 8Bit 3840 x 2160 @ 60 fps codec. I am not converting before importing into premiere pro. I think my computer should be able to handle it, yet I am having this laggy playback even with 1080p footage.

Have tried with 1 screen, 2 screens, 3 screens and even 4 screens (i know, its overkill, but I love multi-monitor workflows). No change in performance. Preview is set to 1920 x 1080. Changing from full to half to quarter etc has no effect. Im so annoyed.

Still wondering what could be wrong.

Ideas? Anyone from Adobe want to help with this?

-DRJ

Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
January 18, 2018

I have a GH5 4K 10-bit file that Someone let me download for this kind of purpose.  I just opened the file in Premiere 12 and the first play of the 1 minute long file it dropped 3 frames on the first play thru but none the second time.  This file is not your 400 Mbs file here is a copy of the InfoMedia info.

This was on my 3-year old i7-4700HQ, 24GB RAM, nVidia GTX 765m GPU with 2 SATA III SSD;s and windows 8.1 at 1/2 resolution.

I assume you are with Win 10 on that much newer laptop.  Have you tuned that laptop?  Look at Task Manager Performance Tab how many processes do you have running before you even start anything Adobe.  Also go to Startup and disable everything, if the process/program is necessary it still will startup when required.

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 6, 2018

Move your footage onto the raid0, or at least give it a try.  What CODEC does that camera use?  It has a Panasonic ring to it.

OK, I looked it up:

The resulting images are easier to edit and work better for action sequences, but they tend to be much larger than inter-frame files. So, Panasonic introduced a 400Mbps "All-I," 10bit 4:2:2 codec, doubling the previous data rate. That's a higher throughput than many pro cameras, including Sony's $7,500 4K FS7 XDCAM, even though the GH5 costs less than a quarter the price ($1,700). As mentioned, the new data rate doesn't work yet for 6K anamorphic, and you'll probably need a high-speed UHS-II class SD card.

Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
January 6, 2018

Your laptop specs are very good (better than mine) but let us see how well your laptop is tuned especially for Premiere Pro by downloading, running and submitting your Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) scores.

Like Trevor indicated I do not see any advantage to have your OS/Application on a RAID 0 array, and as a RAID 0 array is dangerous if one drive fails you loose all the data on that array  I would clone that OS/Applications to a single SSD drive and use those drives individually or RAID 0 for Projects and Media along with a good backup plan.

Another thing to try is to remove the two external monitors and see if that changes your playback

I have a clip GH5 4K 300 Mbits/second (thanks to Ann Bens) that play perfectly in Premiere 12 on this laptop with i7-4700HQ, 24 GB RAM, GTX 765M and just two SATA III SSD's. No editing effects or features just the standard MXF file here is MediaInfo screen grab

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 7, 2018

Bill I remember when I built my 3930K system five or six years ago, using advice from Harm and yourself, it worked OK but I couldn't scrub the timeline smoothly.  What fixed it was putting the project files on faster drives, and it was early days for SSDs, so I used a pair of early generation Velociraptors in a raid0.  I had a lot of bad luck with motherboard raid0 arrays, and I think I should have done more research because I had more than one array (using various gen Velociraptors) fail. 

Anyway, my thoughts with my quick reply to the OP, was that if he has a similar timeline scrubbing issue, then he might do better with it on the faster (raid0) drives.  400Mbs 4:2:2 'All-I' sounds like a lot of work for the system, and I don't suppose the OP was processing the same footage when using Premiere Pro CC2014.