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CryanPhule
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February 7, 2018
Question

Memory vs Render/Export times in Premiere CC

  • February 7, 2018
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Hello,

I am trying to reduce the time it takes to export a video in premier cc... I have added a NVidia GeForce GT 730 2GB video card..... most recently I upgraded the memory from 16GB to 32GB... I rendered the same 5 min video clip before and after adding the additional memory and to my surprise the render time took 3 times LONGER with no other changes.  HELP.  What am I doing wrong?

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    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    February 8, 2018

    If you would like to see how your system performs with my Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) Submit both files according to the instruction and I will try to analyze the results for you with this standardized hardware test tool.

    Legend
    February 8, 2018

    Simple. You got the wrong GPU. Most GT 730s use lousy DDR3 graphics RAM - and equipped as such, you might have gotten a really lousy version that's based on a GPU that dates all the way back to the GT 430 from 2010 – a lousy GPU even in its day – that has only 96 CUDA cores. And all of the DDR3 versions of the GT 730 are actually slower than even the integrated on-CPU Intel HD Graphics of the Haswell and later CPU generations!

    In other words, the GPU that you got is a total waste of money.

    CryanPhule
    Participant
    February 8, 2018

    Given that  the video card is a poor choice the reality is with that card installed and 16GB of system ram the video rendered out in 8 minutes AND the ONLY change made was to add 16GB of system ram for a total of 32GB and the same 5 minute video took 21 minutes to render out.  I fail to see how the video card would have any effect in this equation. It was installed for both tests!

    I can remove it and go back to the onboard video and test again but this seems irrelevant to why it took longer with more memory!!!

    Legend
    February 8, 2018

    I forgot to mention that the weakling GPU may be skewing all of the other CPU-intensive performances, as well. I tested a GT 730 with GDDR5 RAM, and it not only was itself sluggish, but it also caused all of the other subsystem scores including the CPU performance to become degraded as well.

    As a result, I'm now beginning to suspect that your system's component balance has become SEVERELY lopsided in favor of the CPU.

    And the only sure-fire way to check for this would be to obtain different GPUs of different performance levels, and then run the PPBM export test from the MPEG-2 DVD timeline with the MPE GPU acceleration both on AND off (be sure to run ALL of the tests as instructed, but pay attention to the MPEG-2 DVD results with MPE on and off). If above a certain GPU performance level the MPE On (GPU acceleration enabled) scores start to flatten out, then the higher-end GPUs above that particular threshold may be too powerful for your system's CPU. If on the other hand below a certain GPU performance level the MPE Off (software only) scores start becoming significantly slower, then the lower-end GPUs below that threshold are almost certainly severely underpowered for the system's CPU.

    So in your particular case, just run all of the PPBM tests as instructed, produce an xls and a Speccy file, and then submit the results. If your CPU is listed on Bill's PPBM8 site, compare your CPU-only MPEG-2 DVD score with the reference CPU-only MPEG-2 DVD score for your CPU (it should be listed among the CPUs in the CPU list). Your result will likely be substantially longer (slower) than the reference score for that CPU.

    It just makes me sad to see someone building a video editing PC spend so much money on the CPU and RAM that there is very, very little room left in the total build budget for a decent GPU, especially since that would actually make such a build perform worse at CPU level than an otherwise equally-priced build with a lesser CPU but a higher-performance (mid-range) GPU. To me, that is equally as detrimental as overspending on the GPU but cheaping out on the CPU. And to use the analogy with a car, your system would be almost like ordering a 2014 Chevy Impala LTZ with the optional 305-hp V6 engine but only equipping it with a 2-speed Powerglide automatic transmission that's been lifted from a 1965 Chevy Impala.

    Peru Bob
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 7, 2018

    That card is not very well suited for Premiere Pro.  It only has 384 CUDA Cores.

    What did you have before you added the card?

    What memory did you have before the upgrade and what memory do you have now?

    CryanPhule
    Participant
    February 8, 2018

    Before adding the video card it was the motherboards on-board video processor...

    It has been installed for months....

    The only change to the system was adding memory.

    The added memory is the same speed/brand as the originally installed one.

    My issue is WHY did it take 3 times as long to render out the same video with more system ram?

    Legend
    February 8, 2018

    Is your system's Windows pagefile on a slow, spinning hard drive? You see, when you added more RAM to your system, it is possible for the default pagefile size to grow larger.

    Also, in many systems, running more than 1 stick of RAM per memory controller channel (this means 2 sticks in a dual-channel system) will force the memory speed to drop significantly.