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September 15, 2016
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Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get

  • September 15, 2016
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Hi,

Last year I built a new system for editing 1080p video using Premier Pro & Encore CS6 as follows

gigabyte ga-b85m-ds3h-a

intel i7-4790k 4GHz

16GB ddr3 1333MHz

Corsair cx v2 500w psu

Onboard Intel 5000 graphics 1GB

It is not overclocked, I have tried changing it in the BIOS to 4.2 or 4.3GHz but it still stays at 4GHz, is this some weird motherboard issue?

But it is actually rendering slightly slower than the older i7 we have

i7-3770 3.4GHz

16GB DDR3

Nvidia GT640 2GB graphics card

So the only real difference is the graphics card, but will that old graphics card really make any difference?

But coming onto the main question, what graphics card should I get for the i7-4790k machine that will have the most impact without spending a fortune? Also I'm guessing it will need a new power supply as well

Would we see better performance if we upgraded to CC2015? If so would that need a different graphics card?

Thanks for any info or recommendations

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    bobj82408811
    bobj82408811Author
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    September 17, 2016

    Hi,

    Thanks for for the links I'm going through them now

    PC setups

    older i7

    2 * 500GB hard drives, one for OS programs & the raw files from the camera and one for renders

    newer i7

    120GB SSD for OS & programs

    1TB hard drive

    I'm not totally sure of the setup on this one, but I think the raw files are saved to the hard drive and the renders are also outputted to the hard drive as well

    Could this be what is slowing it down?

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    September 17, 2016

    Well almost anytime you are using hard disk drives you probably are being slowed down soon or later.  In the old days my now deceased Harm recommended 5 hard disk drives but today with 3-4 times the speeds of even SATA III (6Gbits/second interface) SSD's and even better yet the newer M.2 PCIe Gen3 x4 SSD's that are 10 or more times faster the whole storage situation has change drastically.  Oh and then there is a new class of external/portable SSD's that have changed the workflow of many including me.  This is the Samsung T3  (or older Ti) if you have a USB3 port on that computer.

    What motherboard or computer do you have?

    bobj82408811
    bobj82408811Author
    Known Participant
    September 18, 2016

    gigabyte ga-b85m-ds3h-a

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill Gehrke
    Inspiring
    September 17, 2016

    I highly recommend for a cost sensitive requirement a look at the GTX 1060 my personal choice is the EVGA 06G-P4-6163-KR which EVGA Lists for $259 but because it is short supply I have seen advertised for $539! My $259 card works great and with slight overclocking is slightly faster than my GTX 970.

    Interesting if you are using CS6 and want to add it to the list you might check and notice gpusniffer where it is listed as a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB for the listed EVGA card, I imagine that a 3GB version would be listed appropriately as GeForce GTX 1060 3GB. 

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    September 15, 2016

    People often look at the "guts" of their computer build, and forget the REST of the computer has a large effect on performance also. Which is why John sent you to look at the 'balanced build' info page.

    Note ... this includes having fast enough drives to handle the massive amount of constant in/out data movement. Typical "old" style construction like my rig use up to eight drives with internal-speed connections to spread out OS/programs; PrPro's media cache & cache database; project files; previews; media; and exports onto different drives. Mine even uses a twin-SSD RAID 0 for the system/C drive.

    With the m.2, NVMe, and super-fact USB3 connected Samsung T1/3 drives available, that's changing. Fewer drives (if more costly) can be built on new motherboards designed to utilize these things that actually deliver better performance with 4k & up media.

    So ... your computer specs were rather incomplete for the total picture of PrPro performance. That right there could be the cause of a substantial difference between the two rigs you've got if they're setup differently for drives. Or not ... we don't know.

    And for the things that DO use the GPU, like re-scaling, Warp Stabilizer and such, that on-board GPU ... is useless. Totally.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    bobj82408811
    bobj82408811Author
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    September 21, 2016

    Some more info, I wasnt aware of before, sorry for the continual updates, I dont do the editing I'm just the computer guy

    They edit the HD footage in Premier Pro and then export it to Encore which then converts it to DVD format with menus

    I read through a lot of that and it says that the GPU will be used when scaling from one size to another, so "Hardware MPE" will help??

    What is Hardware MPE? Is that cuda? Or does it just mean a graphics card?

    With this system the table recommends a GTX640 - GTX650Ti but they are no longer available where I live, its the 700 series upwards only, GT730, GT740 or GTX750Ti. I presume the GT740 is the newer equivalent of the GTX640?

    Which one will speed up scaling from HD to SD with Encore the best?

    On this page here - Adobe Premiere Video Cards Benchmark Project vs. a Real Premiere Project- Written by David Knarr  a discrete GPU really helped a "direct export to MPEG2 DVD" but is that the same as using Encore and will it have the same effect?

    If I get a new SSD/HDD it will be an internal one as they have no need for portability

    Thanks

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    September 21, 2016

    "MPE" is Mercury Playback Engine ... which uses the GPU if there is a usable one for the code of whichever version of PrPro you are using via setting this in the preferences to "GPU". Or ... if set to "Software Only" ... it uses the CPU for everything.

    Many parts of the export/encoding process are CPU only, BUT ... scaling frame-sizes, warp stabilizer, I think Lumetri, some other things (on a list I *should* have the easy link for) will use the GUP if it's seen properly by the program. And therefore, do render/export much faster.

    Hardware ... MPE set to "GPU" ...  does mean CUDA, especially if using an Nvidia card with more than 1,000 CUDA cores ... and I'd skip the 700 series and jump to the 900's if possible. With the 1000 series, the prices on 900 series cards are more negotiable. Go for say a 970 with 4gb vRAM on it, and also ... check the number of CUDA cores, try for 1400-plus.

    This should help the encoding for MPEG-2/DVD process. For SSD, an m.2 or NVMe internal with PrPro's  cache, media-cache database, project files, and previews on it should also speed up the whole process. Leave the program on the system drive, move the rest of PrPro onto an m.2/NVMe drive, and put in a decent 900 series Nvidia card with 1,000-plus cores and minimal 2GB vRAM, and you may see a significant boost to work.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    John T Smith
    Community Expert
    John T SmithCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    September 15, 2016

    First, read the BALANCED article at Tweakers Page

    Not everything uses CUDA... read this

    http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/cuda-mercury-playback-engine-and-adobe-premiere-pro.html

    If your nVidia card has at least 1Gig of video ram, use the nVidia Hack http://forums.adobe.com/thread/629557 - which is a simple entry in a "supported cards" file... this is for CS6 and CS5, the file is not used by PPro Cloud

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