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September 2, 2021
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Should it be necessarily Apple? (Intel) Or will Windows & AMD do the job? (Laptop)

  • September 2, 2021
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Hello everyone!
I am looking for advice from someone who really knows their subject which would be:
How well does Premiere Pro and After Effects work with (mobile) Intel, AMD, macOS, Windows etc.
Cutting to the chase: I want to buy an Editing Laptop and don't know what to go for. Everyone is suggesting MacBooks but can't really explain why. 
I thought all I'd need is a fast CPU, lots of RAM and VRAM. 
I am currently looking at three different Laptops:

- Razer 15 Advanced i9 11900H, RTX 3080 16GB, 32 RAM

- Zephyrus Duo SE GX551QS Ryzen 9 5900HX, RTX 3080 16GB, 32GB RAM

- MacBook Pro 16" i9 10th gen, AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 4GB (GDDR), 32GB RAM

 

(There are more options from Asus and Lenovo with same specs as the Zephyrus)
So I am wondering now which will be the best option and why. All processors have the same amount of cores and kinda similar speed, except the i9 overclocking speed is slightly higher. 
Also: What is Premiere most compatible with? I simply need fast playback time with colorgraded 4K footage and several masks etc.. 
Anyone can explain? I know there were updates from Apple, from Nvidia and from AMD that enabled a better compability with Premiere but I don't know what happened there and how it works. 

An important factor is how the CPU works with the GPU together and so on. But I'm not that deep into the subject so.. anyone knows what's going on there and whats the best option now? 
Thanks in advance! 

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Inspiring
September 2, 2021

Your best bet is to wait for Windows 11, Alder Lake and the M1X chip. 

Microsoft should have a few commercials with Nigel Tufnel saying "it goes to eleven".


Legend
October 22, 2021

A few days ago Apple announced pre-orders for the new Apple Silicon-powered 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pros. There will be no M1X chip per se (or at least not under that designation). The new Apple silicon CPUs for these new high-end MacBook Pros will be called the M1 Pro and the M1 Max, with 10 physical CPU cores on both CPUs with the M1 Max clocked slightly higher than the M1 Pro. However, while both CPUs have 10 cores, the integrated GPUs in the M1 Max will have more cores (32) than the one in the M1 Pro (16) - and both have far more GPU power than the 7- or 8-core integrated GPUs in the plain 8-core M1 chips. The M1 Pro supports up to 32 GB of RAM, while the M1 Max supports up to 64 GB of RAM - much higher than the 16 GB maximum of the plain M1 platforms.

 

With that announcement, a couple of early results from a MacBook Pro with the new M1 Max CPU were posted in the PugetBench for Premiere Pro database. Boy, the new M1 Max smoked everything short of the 3000-series Threadripper desktop workstations in every PugetBench for Premiere Pro test except for the GPU test. From that I can see the M1 Pro-powered (or lesser configurations of the new) MacBook Pro performing on a par with the average AMD Ryzen 9 5800X or 5900X desktop with a middling-performance GPU.

Inspiring
October 26, 2021

The new chips from Apple seem impresive but they are also more expensive than the original M1. Will the new chips from Apple offer a better bang for the buck than Intel's Alder Lake CPUs? Only time will tell.  

Legend
September 2, 2021

Here's the deal:

 

I do not recommend the Intel-powered MacBook Pro at this point because it will be phased completely out of production within the coming months, and it will not be updated at all (hardware-wise) beyond the current heavy-power-consuming 10th-gen Intel CPUs (not even a refresh). You see, the 10th-Gen Intel CPUs are the very last gen of Intel mobile CPUs that remain on the now-seven-year-old 14nm manufacturing process that dated all the way back to the 5th-Gen Intel CPUs (Broadwell) in late 2014. The 11th-gen Intel mobile CPUs use the newer 10nm Tiger Lake architecture that made its debut in the quad-core low-power Intel 11th-Gen U-series CPUs last year.

John T Smith
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September 2, 2021
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September 2, 2021

2017..

Inspiring
September 2, 2021

This is just my two cents. Keep in mind that several people use Macs without issue, and that I even use a Mac at work. If you are fully invested in the Apple ecosystem for other reasons (iPhone/iPad/etc.) then maybe this makes sense.

 

Personally though, I think a PC is a better value (and what I use at my home workstation). Namely because for a lesser price you can get a higher end system. That said, to answer both:

 

What is Premiere most compatible with?

I would argue "both". Adobe apps are designed to work on both operating systems, and to their credit Adobe does a good job at updating their software to leverage the ecosystems of both operating systems. Other than the value proposition I mentioned above, there's nothing inherently better about running on Mac vs Windows.

 

I simply need fast playback time with colorgraded 4K footage and several masks etc.. 

This will come down to your workflow. For example, most machines would struggle to playback 4K footage of some codecs with effects applied. So, best practice is critical here: create proxies or intermediaries, render previews or "render and replace" when finished with a high number of stacked effects, etc.

An important factor is how the CPU works with the GPU together and so on. But I'm not that deep into the subject so.. anyone knows what's going on there and whats the best option now? 

Previously, the CPU was much more critical than the GPU. I'd still say it is this case, but more and more GPUs (and NLEs like Premiere) are starting to leverage the GPU more than ever. GPU Acceleration leverages the GPU to assist with the generation of effects that support GPU acceleration. Hardware Decoding leverages the GPU to assist in decoding some of the harder to work with codecs like H.264/H.265, and Hardware Encoding doe the same for encoding those codecs. So, the GPU definitely helps now, and it's nice to have one that is up to par.

 

The best thing I can drive home is: a high end computer is not a substitute for best editing practices. Just keep that in mind. I will say, while laptops will typically have less power available to them compared to desktops, you are looking at some well-speced laptops. As you can see, you're getting more bang for your buck for the PCs compared to the Macbook Pro - and I'm guessing those are similarly priced. That's why I mentioned my first point about better value. You're really paying for the "Apple Ecosystem" at that point.

 

Hope this helps!

Participant
September 2, 2021

Yes I have a PC at home but I need a Laptop for working abroad. 
So you think an i9 10th gen would work just as good as an AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX? 
I checked benchmark tests but its diffucult to tell whats the best for Adobe because these tests are all about gaming and general program performance. Premiere has updates that inmprove performance now with Nvidia, AMD and Intel but I feel kinda lost when it goes that deep. 

Inspiring
September 2, 2021

So you think an i9 10th gen would work just as good as an AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX?

 

I'm honestly not as familiar with AMD's chipset, I've always used Intel for my PCs. That said the i9 11900H in the Razer is an 11th gen i9, right? It's a top-tier CPU chip. 8 cores @ 4.9 GHz? That's nice to have!

 

I checked benchmark tests but its diffucult to tell whats the best for Adobe because these tests are all about gaming and general program performance.

 

If you're looking for that sort of info: check out Puget Systems. They are a fantastic resource: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations

Peru Bob
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September 2, 2021

Moved to the Video Hardware forum.