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Stephen.Pickering
Inspiring
December 5, 2017
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Thoughts on these builds for Premiere Pro 4K editing system <$4000

  • December 5, 2017
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Hi there,


I have two system builds below (assembled with pcpartpicker).

I would like to build a new 4K editing system before the end of the year.  I would like to edit 4K (delivery will more often be in HD), use Neat Video noise removal, grade with Lumetri Color and MB Looks in Premiere Pro CC.  I would also like to do chroma keying, motion graphics, and light 3D work (extruded text, Element 3D) in After Effects.

Ideally, my budget is $4,000 but would be nice to have some left over.  I have the following parts already purchased from a previous build that never happened:
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Series PH-ES614P_BK Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case​

XPG SX6000 PCIe NVME Gen3x2 M.2 2280 128GB SSD
Keyboard
Mouse
Optical Drive
Several HGST 6TB NAS drives
Some CineRaid 4x Raid Enclosures (USB3 or eSata) (are these even usable with 4K?)
Monitors (not 4K)

I've always used Intel, but I've read a lot of posts here about Ryzen being an option now.  I've put together two systems at pcpartpicker, one Intel and one Ryzen.  These are based on some different builds that I've found on forums (the Intel system is similar to a build I found on PugetSystems).

AMD Ryzen
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

TypeItemPrice
CPUAMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor        $389.89 @ Amazon  
CPU CoolerCooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler        $28.89 @ OutletPC  
MotherboardMSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC ATX AM4 Motherboard        $91.98 @ Newegg  
MemoryCorsair - Vengeance LED 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory        $754.82 @ Amazon  
StorageSamsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive        $127.89 @ OutletPC  
Video CardZotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card        $712.88 @ SuperBiiz  
CasePhanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case        $89.99 @ Amazon  
Power SupplyThermaltake - Toughpower Grand RGB 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply        $96.59 @ SuperBiiz  
Operating SystemMicrosoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit        $136.88 @ OutletPC  
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates)$2469.81
Mail-in rebates-$40.00
Total$2429.81
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-05 01:14 EST-0500


Intel i7

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

TypeItemPrice
CPUIntel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor        $559.89 @ OutletPC   
CPU CoolerCooler Master - Hyper 212 LED 66.3 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler        $19.99 @ Newegg   
Thermal CompoundArctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste        $5.55 @ OutletPC   
MotherboardGigabyte - X299 AORUS Gaming 7 ATX LGA2066 Motherboard        $428.89 @ OutletPC   
MemoryCrucial - Ballistix Sport LT 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory        $679.99 @ Amazon   
StorageSamsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive        $127.89 @ OutletPC   
Video CardEVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card        $743.88 @ OutletPC   
CasePhanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case        $99.99 @ Amazon   
Power SupplySeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply        $99.99 @ SuperBiiz   
Operating SystemMicrosoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit        $136.88 @ OutletPC   
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates)$2922.94
Mail-in rebates-$20.00
Total$2902.94
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-05 01:16 EST-0500

Honestly, I don't know a whole lot about hardware anymore.  Both systems above are under my budget, which makes me feel that either I am missing something or that I should be upgrading something now instead of later.  Both builds have the case included, but I already have a case).  I would love to stay at $3k, but I want to have a system that will last me longer, instead of a budget system that I'll have to try to upgrade down the road.

I would appreciate any advice you have!

-Stephen

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Stephen.PickeringAuthor
Inspiring
December 13, 2017

Now I'm getting more and more confused the more I research.  I know these comparisons aren't the same, but reading over some of the posts here about AMD's Threadripper, it seems AMD is not performing as well as Intel at a lower cost.  Since these are not the same parts am I safe to ignore it?  Am I on the right track with Ryzen 7 1800X or should I be looking at an Intel i7?  I know the specific application plays a big role, so I guess I would say I need a balance between Premiere Pro 4k editing and After Effects (greenscreen, some 3D, motion graphics animating).

Thank you,

Stephen

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edithouse41
Participating Frequently
December 14, 2017

Lifetime MAC user here, just built my first PC, 7820-X on a Asus 299 Prime deluxe motherboard. Tonight I just loaded four 4K h.264 DJI drone footage in a 4K timeline quad split with the footage coming from a Samsung internal SSD. I couldn’t believe it played back smooth.  Next in a 4K sequence I loaded one 4K shot, added Magic Bullet looks, all good, then added Lumetri on top, still played back fine. I used the Enthoo Pro case with Noctua air cooling and I am really enjoying this setup.  My 5,1 MacPro 12 core Xeon can’t do any of this, can’t playback my 4K GoPro or DJI footage without rendering.  I am really blown away, I can’t believe I built this thing, I can’t believe it’s performance, and I can’t wait to continue to upgrade it as new tech is released!  This is something the Mac platfom does not have.  If I were you I’d stick with the Intel CPU.

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Stephen.PickeringAuthor
Inspiring
December 14, 2017

Thank you for the feedback!  I really have no preference between Intel or AMD, but it seemed AMD was crazy powerful at a lower cost- but then I started reading about Adobe not liking the real high-end AMD (but, admittedly my system above isn't even a Threadripper).

In any case, here's a build I put together using a lot of the options from the previous builds, but your your CPU and Motherboard:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

            

TypeItemPrice
CPUIntel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor        $568.89 @ OutletPC    
CPU CoolerCooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler        $24.89 @ OutletPC    
MotherboardAsus - PRIME X299-DELUXE ATX LGA2066 Motherboard        $498.32 @ B&H    
MemoryCrucial - Ballistix Sport LT 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory        $679.99 @ Amazon    
StorageSamsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive        $139.99 @ B&H    
StorageSamsung - 960 Pro 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive        $618.95 @ Newegg Marketplace    
Video CardZotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card        $712.88 @ SuperBiiz    
CasePhanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case        $108.98 @ Newegg    
Power SupplyThermaltake - Smart M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply        $78.99 @ SuperBiiz    
Operating SystemMicrosoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit        $136.88 @ OutletPC    
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates)$3588.76
Mail-in rebates-$20.00
Total$3568.76
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-13 22:01 EST-0500


Can I ask what the reason is for that particular motherboard?  It has a ton of features (including an onboard CPU temp!), but was there a specific reason?  I don't THINK I need more than 64GB of RAM right now, but I know 8 slots to expand is pretty nice.

Any thoughts on this setup?  I know I would probably be happy with any one of these three setups I've "built" with pcpartbuilder, but it would be great to just know that I'm not burning money on something I don't need or cutting corners on something I will have to upgrade to just around the corner.

Thank you for chiming in, I really appreciate it!
-Stephen

Bill Gehrke
Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
December 5, 2017

First problem I see is lack of a second SSD, your first drive for the OS and Applications should just be a standard SATA III SSD and then use the high speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD for your current project and media files, but depending on you project sizes the 250 GB one may not be large enough.  Hard disk drive are fine for backup and archiving but lousy for editing.

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Stephen.PickeringAuthor
Inspiring
December 5, 2017

Thank you, Bill.  I've never used an M.2 SSD.  If I have a small one (which I have that is not being used) and added on a 250 or 512 M.2 PCIe x4 SSD, would that be ok? I read somewhere that using M.2 slots disables some of the SATA controllers - but as you can tell I don't know anything about this stuff.

So, I need another bigger SSD M.2 drive.  What else?

Thank you again!

Bill Gehrke
Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
December 5, 2017

Here are the CDM test results from my Samsung 960 Pro M.2 PCIe Gen 3 X4 SSD.

It is one of the better ones and you see the Sequential Write rate above, from my Disk Intensive Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) I can actually get almost 2000 MB/second using Premiere Pro.

Since we have fantastic read write rates and the accompanying microsecond access times rather that millisecond access time on these super speed SSD's the old design rules for a great video editjng computer you needed 3,4,5 or more hard disk drives are thrown out.  My designs use one small SATA III for the OS/Applications and a second super speed device (sized for your typical project size(s) for all the current project(s) and media storage.  When through with a project archive/backup to hard disk dirves

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