Will New 8 core Ryzen CPU perform well with PPro ?

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Hello and thank you again for taking your time.
The hpet is disabled, element was not found, but I still think I need to restart. Still not using more cpu. Plan was on ryzen, now is on high power. No ideea about the processes running. Will take a look next for that. How many do you have open ? so I have like an ideea on how many there should be.

Inspiring

im running around 63-80 most of the time... depending on what other processes you have running, that could greatly impact your performance.

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Hello ,
I have it now disabled, restarted, and I can say for SURE that it is an improvement. I don't see it on the cpu usage, but I see it on workflow... I can now edit pictures while enfusing, I was not able to do it before properly, it was to slow...
So thank you for this, I am clearly on the right path. Will need to investigate more, and check why I have so many processes on... Probably will buy a NVME for this 1 also , and reinstall windows.

1 last thing, let me know at what MHZ you run your DDRAM . Cheers.

Inspiring

haha!!.. were talkin in two threads here... lets just keep it on this one..

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Good day,
I have a 1800x ryzen, 32gb ddr ( that I could not make to run faster than 2400 mhz , is a 3000 mhz kit ) on croshair VI asus board, windows 10 on ssd, other ssd's for cache and all the good stuff, and I can say I am completely happy with the ryzen performance even updated today to the latest bios, no change ( also could not clock the memory higher ) ...
I am a photo editor, photoshop works just fine, no complains there, but on lightroom ... pfff... is crazy slow... Sometimes it works good for 1-2 projects, than gets slow again ( after some editing ) ... I can't even export or photo merge in background and work on something else

If anyone could help me, I would be super happy about that ... My other rig , a 6700k , works far better than ryzen - on lightroom, is more fluent, and it uses 100% of the processor ... on ryzen , even if we do have more cores, it rarely spikes at 100% .

I know this thread was for PPro - but maybe someone has some useful tips for ryzen + lightroom.

Thank you in advance.

Inspiring

hmm... I don't really have any issues with lightroom on my setup.. when does it seem to be slow?..

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When I start lightroom, most of the time it works fine , until I process 50 - 70 pictures... After these, suddenly it starts to be insanely slow...
Even when moving trough pictures in develop mode , is slower than my other intel rig or my macs

Inspiring

rumors now suggest amd ryzen 10-16 core cpu's that will compete against intel's i9 hedt x299 platform. the amd platform is supposedly called ryzen 9, on x399 chipset, and will also feature quad channel memory and 44 pcie lanes. so looks like amd could have a valid competing option for those requiring the features of intel's x99/x299 platform.

Inspiring

yep.. I think AMD is really addressing the market segmentation well... However, as much as I would like to have the upcoming x399 platform, I cant really ask for more from the 1800x.. and it might just be more practical to build a render box in addition to the 1800x.. Either way, there's about to be a lot of really good options.

Inspiring

I have just briefly skimmed through this post and would like to add that... The Ryzen 7 1800x performs extremely well in Premiere Pro.. I put together this system https://pcpartpicker.com/b/Kwhypg as my base platform and even with running off of the single drive, Premiere absolutely flies.... I wanted to push it as hard as I could to see its limitations and it blew me away.. I have a 960 pro m2 on the way which I will be setting up as a cache drive and still have yet to decide what I will throw in as my storage drive.. I just sent back two 6TB WD blacks because they had a head parking issue right out of the box... but with one single drive in the machine, I was able to load a RED 8:1 8k raw file at full res in both source and playback panels un-rendered with no dropped frames... my jaw dropped... I then added Lumetri and still.. no frames dropped... so far this is the heaviest file I have thrown at it but it handled it without a hiccup.. so, I'm happy so far..

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inspirevideo

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I just upgraded to a Ryzen 7 1800x and I can honestly say my experience using it for Adobe Premiere Pro has been outstanding, I made a video about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JRDi7COw2Y

Inspiring

thanks for sharing your experience with ryzen. that dust though, yikes haha.

Puget - Premiere Pro CC 2017 AMD Ryzen 7 1700X & 1800X Performance

Inspiring

puget released their AMD Ryzen review:

basically they gave it a pass, as it has lower single thread performance and 64gb memory max.

the benchmark chart below shows that with red footage the amd ryzen 8 core is able to keep up with the intel 8 core. most likely from the red footage being able to use all 8 cores. for the rest of the media types it appears we have the typical adobe/premiere problem of poor multi-threading, which shows all of the cpu's turn in somewhat similar times. another benchmark shows the amd 8 core ryzen cpu perform like the intel 6 core while exporting to 4k h264 with source media other than red footage. that might explain why several other reviews show the amd 8 core perform like the intel 6 core in premiere. amd's ryzen might be doing worse with h264 exports as a result of how the h264 codec premiere uses is coded, since the 4k dnxhr export benchmark shows the amd 8 core ryzen cpu keep up with the intel 8 core. i think the puget benchmarks are all at stock cpu speeds, so an overclocked intel cpu could possibly pull away from an overclocked amd ryzen in these benchmarks.

Inspiring

so far reviews show mixed results in premiere. i see several reviews showing it performing close to (some worse than) the intel 6 core. a few youtube reviews have weird premiere benchmark results, suggesting bad premiere tests that make their results irrelevant. mixed performance with premiere may be due to ryzen's cut down AVX compute power, which was one of several cost cutting decisions amd made for the ryzen cpu's. outside of premiere the reviews show the amd 8 core holding its own against the intel 8 core in several programs that can use all 8 cores. handbrake was one that showed the amd 8 core doing very well against intel 8 core. single threaded performance was a still behind intel, especially with an overclocked i7-7700k's. so for 2-4 core threaded software, which is most software, the newer intel 4 core cpu's will be faster.

pros:

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for many multi-threaded programs ryzen 8 core will compete with intel 8 core, at 1/3 to 1/2 of the price.

lower costs vs x99: amd cpu and motherboard could save between $500-800

(will likely be found in off-the-shelf computers, for more budget friendly computer buying options vs x99.)

AM4 has modern features: usb 3.1 gen 2, (1) m.2 x4 ultra, pci-e gen 3.0 (1 at x16, or 2 at x8/x8 on x370)

cons:

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single thread performance lower than intel.

less expansion options: ryzen has 24 pci-e 3.0 lanes vs x99's 28-40 lane cpu's

(good for 1 video card and 1 m.2 x4/ultra. past that x99 will be better for dual gpu, dual m.2 x4, etc.)

limited to 64gb and dual channel memory vs x99's broadwell-e 128gb and quad channel.

limited upgrade path to higher core count cpu's vs x99's i7 10 core and xeon 22 core cpu's.

appears to have no thunderbolt support

currently ryzen has memory problems past ddr4 2400-2666 with 2 sticks, and ddr4 1866-2133 with 4 sticks.

bios updates might help with faster memory kits. ryzen specific ram kits could be coming.

overclocking:

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currently ryzen seems to top between 3.8-4.1 on all cores for overclocking.

the R7 1700X and 1800X might be binned, getting around 100-200mhz more per skew at max.

XFR isn't an auto-overclock like a gpu boost. it appears to be only for a single thread/core boost.

misc info:

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new noctua coolers for amd ryzen AM4 platform:

NH-D15 SE-AM4, NH-U12s SE-AM4, and NH-L9x65 SE-AM4

* some am3 coolers are compatible, but only the ones that use the am3 socket clips.

J

JFPhotonAuthor

Inspiring

The reviews I read included one which states the XFR gives a 100mhz boost on TWO cores and that the Intel turbo boost seems to work better than AMDs version because it boosts ALL cores under load.

It was warned in advance that the major reviewers were under pressure from Intel, and it can be plainly seen that Anandtech used bizarre tests to try and paint the Ryzen as inferior to Kaby Lake and the 6900K. They didn't compare overclocked results, either.

There is a lot of software....including testing software.....which is optimized for Intel. As AMD has not been in the picture competitively for a long while, the Ryzen will perform much better in the near future as software engineers optimize equally for AMD.

Specific testing regarding the Ryzen and PPro needs to be done.....in the recent past Eric at ADK has posted very detailed test results on Haswell E, when it was launched. I am hoping he and Bill Gehrke will be able to report on Ryzen. I would guess that Adobe's relationship to NVidia would possibly mean that PPro may not yet,if ever, be "optimized" for Ryzen...I hope I am WRONG because if a combination of Ryzen CPUs and Vega GPUs work well with PPro, many more people could afford to construct a high performing machine at almost HALF the current cost !!... and THAT would mean more users of PPro.

Inspiring

It was warned in advance that the major reviewers were under pressure from Intel, and it can be plainly seen that Anandtech used bizarre tests to try and paint the Ryzen as inferior to Kaby Lake and the 6900K. They didn't compare overclocked results, either.

there were several weird reviews. some made amd look just as good as the intel, and some made amd look terrible. one reviewer called amd out for their trickery they used during live presentations to make their hardware look better. several reviewers commented how amd pushed them to use certain benchmarks to make the ryzen cpu's look good. while i haven't seen any proof of intel interference, i wouldn't put it past intel as they have a very dishonest and dirty history with what they did to amd in the past.

There is a lot of software....including testing software.....which is optimized for Intel. As AMD has not been in the picture competitively for a long while, the Ryzen will perform much better in the near future as software engineers optimize equally for AMD.

i heard amd say that, and i think this is mostly amd spin. the amd hype train was pushing hard in many places and had excuses for any issues. i don't know how much optimization is actually needed since amd's new cpu's mimic alot of intel functions, as well as using the same cpu instruction sets. the XFR boost is an example of amd mimicking intel's turbo boost. some intel cpu's can boost 2+ cpu cores during boost, as you read the amd does. if software really needs to be optimized for amd, they should have shown that in a demo, like they do with their video cards. it also wouldn't explain how existing programs are able to run so well with the amd 8 core vs intel 8. one thing was clear from amd's design, they focused on best performance at the lowest cost by cutting some corners. so they knew a few programs (perhaps premiere) would have done bad, but they were ok with that since they could get lower costs to a much larger market for other software that won't notice those cut down features.

i agree we need more premiere testing, and i will be watching for other reviews. i doubt eric is coming back to the forums, but maybe puget will do some or someone will submit results for ppbm. the problem with alot of benchmarks is people use premiere in different ways, so benchmarks don't match each other and don't always match the user's project. with the few decent premiere benchmarks i've seen for the amd rx video cards, i too hope that a amd cpu + gpu setup will be a good option for premiere and other software. as far as low costs go, it will be the off-the-shelf systems that make it affordable and easy for more folks to get their hands on a powerful machine with ryzen.