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October 14, 2024
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Animate 2025?

  • October 14, 2024
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Will there be no update for Animate this year?

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    Participating Frequently
    October 29, 2024

    Flash petering out like this is pretty much the exact way I expected it to die, and yet I still find myself disappointed.

     

    And I mean Flash. Despite the attempted rebrand, this program was born Flash and has died Flash. I don't know a single animator who doesn't simply refer to it as Flash coloquially. If they had wanted to be known as Adobe Animate, they would have treated the rebrand as a time to grow, come up with new ideas, or at least crib the ideas off of their competitors. 

    It's honestly hard to believe how little Flash adapted to the needs of studios and freelancers, despite years of requests. Even just getting a program that doesn't crash constantly has been, apparently, too great a request. There are people using Flash CS6-- 12 year old software-- because it runs more stable for them than more recent versions, and extremely little of actual value has been added in those 12 years.

    Flash isn't dying now, it died years ago, and it's been a shambling corpse ever since. It's been ages since Toon Boom launched their software, and, I dunno, Adobe probably saw the writing on the wall then and there. Rather than work to compete, they ceded their top spot, and kept charging a monthly subscription for the few who had yet to make the jump. Which includes me. I wanted Adobe to adapt and make this program better. And I'm sure there are people within Adobe who also wanted the program to be better, to try new things, who were completely ignored by management. 

    In the end this is all part of a larger problem. Adobe's leadership has made it clear that they are not going to be making programs for artists. Their shift towards generative AI tools, and their recent, baffling comments about their customer base, have made this quite clear. Their programs will not serve artists, it'll serve 'idea guy' middlemen who are like, really smart and creative, they just, uh, don't like, know how to draw, y'know? Drawing is hard, impossible to learn! It's only for people who are naturally talented elites! And who needs to draw when we've got Firefly, right? Surely what will keep Adobe afloat is if Creative Suite is used by fewer people, right?

    Right?




    n. tilcheff
    Legend
    October 29, 2024

    @burbeee 

    Thank you for this post!

     

    Nick - Character Designer and Animator, Flash user since 1998 | Member of the Flanimate Power Tools team - extensions for character animation
    rayek.elfin
    Legend
    October 31, 2024

    @n. tilcheff

    If events follow history, Animate's active development is already, or will be, halted, with perhaps a few years of remaining basic support given to Animate users. At some point then Flash CS6 will no longer be a viable option due to OS/hardware changes. Even though it is the arguably best version of Flash it isn't legally available for sale nor does it receive any support outside of your Flanimate tools.

     

    With Animate's future uncertain (and probably at the end of its lifeline), Flash/Animate as a viable tool will become untenable/unmaintainable.

     

    I myself currently use a combination of Clip Studio, Moho, OpenToonz/Tahoma2d, and Blender for various animation jobs. Clip Studio might go rental-only in the near future.

     

    The way I see it: a strong open source and community driven alternative is a good answer to animation software going rental or disappearing/be acquired by larger business entities.

     

    OpenToonz/Tahoma2d is already in its core far more advanced than Flash/Animate CC. It's more on par with ToonBoom Animate Advanced and production proven for classic frame-by-frame animation workflows. What is missing in its current state, however, are modern 2d puppet rigging and animation tools: the ones that do exist in OpenToonz/Tahoma2D are rather basic compared to Moho Pro or your Flanimate tools.

     

    I think we already had this discussion years ago, but I would love to see your tools implemented in OpenToonz/Tahoma2D. Would you consider becoming contributers to OpenToonz as developers and slowly transitioning your Flanimate EDAP tools to that open source animation platform? Because the way I see it is that Flash/Animate is now most probably a dead-end that will at some point in the upcoming few years no longer be available to animators, and those animators --including yourself-- will have to migrate to other software anyway. Or at the very least release your tools for other animation software, because Flash/Animate will no longer be an available or supported animation software.

     

    And it would be a crying shame to see your work and EDAP tools/workflow concepts lost to the next generation of animators.

    Ultimatebeetle
    Inspiring
    October 26, 2024

    I think Adobe will only supporting generative ai feature to their software.  all of major updates are just gen ai.

    They even said that "if you won't use gen ai, you will fail and left behind"

    I can't see any major updates that really useful for artists, and don't think they care about users like us but money 😕😕

    Known Participant
    October 24, 2024

    Agree with @default4mciqkld69iv 

    My company is using PS/AI/AN for creating ads. Many other companies in my country have the same workflow.

    I'm also using AN for creating .swf files for Ruffle.

    Looking into this, we can see there's something wrong with Adobe. User's voices don't matter anymore. They forgot that they're making application for users.

    Participating Frequently
    October 23, 2024
    Sadly. I am just because of adobe animate and am renewing my CC subscription.
    If there are no updates to animate, then there is no point in all other programs. I don’t use After Effects, but other programs have a bunch of alternatives, not only paid but also free.
    JoãoCésar17023019
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 22, 2024

    Hi, everyone.

     

    A small update.

     

    I have asked the team and I was told to wait for an answer on this situation.

     

    So let's wait for now.

    Participating Frequently
    October 22, 2024

    Nice!
    I don't know how to contact them directly, so I tried the "Adobe Video" Facebook chat. I explained about Adobe's abandonment and gave them the link to this thread. Someone read it and replied that they would pass it on to the product team.
    It may not come to anything, but who knows...

    JoãoCésar17023019
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 22, 2024

    Hey, Jessica.

     

    You did great!

     

    The more users who speak up, the better. I think it increases the chances of them responding and responding faster, and even reconsidering if they've already decided on the worst.

    _keyframer
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 21, 2024

    there's so much I could say - but I will only add, I'm not only disapointed to see Animate whither away in the dark cold corner of Adobe, but moreso the way the team quietly abandoned us in the process. They shut the lights off and closed the door while we're still in the room and won't talk to us anymore. 

    I've moved on but what a master class on how to not to treat your most devoted users.

    Animator and content creator for Animate CC
    rayek.elfin
    Legend
    October 22, 2024

    Unfortunately this behaviour is exactly as expected based on past behaviour. Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Adobe XD, Muse, ... All started with a deafening silence. And then after a (long) pause in communication a message that active development had been stopped, and the software would be in 'support' only mode.

     

    Next will be a call from users begging Adobe to open source Animate and/or sell it to another party.

     

    Which will be ignored by Adobe. More silence.

     

     

    Participant
    October 18, 2024

    I'm really sad about this lack of updates for Animate. It's been my software of choice for creating animations since it was Macromedia Flash. I hope Adobe is not planning to abandon it, once there are a lot of creators that still use Animate.

    Participating Frequently
    October 18, 2024

    I'm also sad about this situation. Now that I've improved my animation skills with this software, I don't want to have to learn another one. Animate CC also works with programming, something I find hard to find in other software. Despite its limitations, Animate is currently my work tool, where I started in the world of 2D animation.

    Please Adobe, give us answers!

    _keyframer
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 21, 2024

    You may want to really look at Rive

    Animator and content creator for Animate CC
    Participant
    October 16, 2024

    Nosotros estamos esperando una actualización con muchas ganas, llevamos usando Animate desde hace muchos años (Antes Flash), si no se actualiza, será muy malo para nosotros. We are looking forward to an update, we have been using Animate for many years (previously Flash), if it is not updated, it will be very bad for us.

    Joseph Labrecque
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 16, 2024

    Muy malo para nosotros, indeed.

    JoãoCésar17023019
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 14, 2024

    Hi.

    It should be today because Adobe usually updates the Creative Cloud apps in the first day of Adobe MAX.

    Other softwares already have their updates available:

    Known Participant
    October 14, 2024

    Exactly, I was expecting some update. Maybe this is a sign that Adobe is going to abandon Animate for good.

    JoãoCésar17023019
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 14, 2024

    Unfortunately, I'm not very optimistic... The Animate team stopped updating the prerelease forums months ago. And now the lack of a new major version... So...