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Erik Bloodaxe
Legend
April 24, 2023
Question

Camera Raw 15.3 AI Denoise – Some Observations

  • April 24, 2023
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I am accustomed to editing my RAW files in ACR using whatever is the current version.

For a long time I have handled noise reduction using an adaptive ISO preset set as

my Camera Raw default. On the whole, I never have look at noise reduction as this default preset handles noise reduction admirably.

When editing is finished, I convert the RAWs to DNG with the original RAW embedded in case it is ever needed. (It has been needed on very rare occasions when the DNG file has failed to open properly for unknown reasons.)

With Camera Raw 15.3 it looks like I must apply the AI denoise first, since if applied at a later stage it does not play well with some edits, in particular healing brush edits. This creates a new Enhanced DNG file which is the one to which to apply further edits as required.

I note that the original RAW is not embedded in this Enhanced DNG file nor can the AI Denoise be undone.

It therefore seems necessary to keep two files rather than one i.e. the DNG with original RAW embedded and the Enhanced DNG. This of course more or less doubles storage requirements.

Furthermore, the original DNG file is left without any edits unless I copy them from the enhanced DNG, but then I cannot copy the denoise.

It seems that, although the AI Denoise works really well, it results in more effort and greater storage requirements.

Comments, criticisms and suggestions are welcome.

4 replies

Participant
February 12, 2024

Sometime the denoise makes a total mess of your photo ... sad that you cannot undo it! I have just wasted a lot of time on an edit that is now ruined ...

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 12, 2024

@AireBailarín 

The denoised file is a separate file from the original raw file. You can always go back to the original with all your settings intact, you haven't lost anything.

Participant
February 12, 2024
Yeah, I already sorted it out ... ta though!
Participant
May 8, 2023

Having just updated Camera RAW to15.3, and instantly witshed i hadn't!!apparently my graphics card doesn't support the new Denoise function, and will take up to 15 mins to carry out a function that took miliseconds with a slider...Really can't see the point of that, except as part of a bigger scheme to get rid of photographers and replace us with AI images!!

I am a simple photographer, who prefers to get images right in camera as best I can, and tweek images where needed, but I do offten need the Noise reduction facility due to low light/high ISO nature of my images. now it seems I can't do this without fafing about with DNG, whatever that is. never used it.

Is there a way of going back to the prevoius version of RAW? we can with PS and LS.

If there is no way to re-install the older version, could someone recomed another editing suite that does't constantly update with pointless new tricks just for the sake of it?

Seems to me someone is trying to justify there job, and that just makes thing worse.

Really fustrated with Adobe in the last year or so, and seriuosly considering canceling you subscription.

Many thanks 

Gareth

 

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
May 8, 2023

"apparently my graphics card doesn't support the new Denoise function, and will take up to 15 mins to carry out a function that took miliseconds with a slider...Really can't see the point of that"

The Legacy Denoise sliders are still there.  If you hardware is not adequate for the new GPU-intensive Denoise - then you are better served using the older tools and not downgrading. When you downgrade you remove bug and performance fixes. 

For modern hardware AI Denoise takes seconds - not minutes. 

 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Participant
May 8, 2023

Thank you for your reply. the drop box you shared in different to the one in my camera RAW, The faded out detail and contrast sliders are not visable on mine. for the level of my needs, the older version did what I want, so have elected to go back a version. The So caled bugs did not effect my work, so happy to carry on using the older system.

Thank you again

Gareth

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 24, 2023

I've been thinking of that too. Sacrificing the original mosaic DNG for a demoaiced one that you can't reverse isn't going to happen. I've been hearing that the original mosaic DNG is embedded, but I'm still not clear on how you'd extract it? Until then, I keep both.

 

I consider Denoise a power tool for extreme cases. I still don't see any point in using it routinely on all images - the payoff is negligible for low ISO images where noise isn't a problem to begin with. In those cases, it's a solution in search of a problem. Once you get into ISO 4000 and up, however, it starts to make sense.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
April 24, 2023

I agree; use Denoise when you have very, very noisy images (from underexposure; sorry, the noise isn't produced by the ISO, and in some cameras, a higher ISO produces less noise than a lower ISO). 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
April 24, 2023

The Adobe team recommends you apply Denoise as one of the very first steps. So there's that comment. You don't have to, but you probably should. 

As for embedding the raw in the DNG, I prefer to save them off when importing to another drive just for that possible archive. It's an option in the Import dialog of Lightroom Classic if that's where you're doing the conversions. I do this from the get-go because the DNG contains all my edits and as importantly to me, a pretty large JPEG of all the edits, which in the worse case, can be extracted. So, in this case, again, convert to DNG from the start. Since you're going to use Denoise early on *some* images as recommended, you have a DNG (linear DNG). 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"