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September 5, 2024
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This post applies to Camera Raw.
Feedback for Lightroom Classic and Lightroom Desktop should be posted here.

Update February 2025:

Adobe has introduced two Adaptive Profiles – Adaptive Color & Adaptive B&W.

Getting started with the Adaptive Profiles:

Access a profile inside the profile favorites menu.
In addition, there is a new section for Adaptive Profiles in the Profiles browser.
Enable the profile and adjust the ‘Amount’ slider as desired.
Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

Check out the Help Page for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this blog post.

Please try the profiles and share feedback in this community forum thread. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information as possible about what you like or do not like about the resulting image quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues and improve the future experience.

Best practices for using the Adaptive Profiles:

Try the new profile in the following scenarios:

For food scenes.
In situations where simply moving Tone and Color sliders may not be sufficient, such as for: high-contrast scenes, landscape or cityscape scenes with skies.
For High-Dynamic-Range (HDR) photography, simply select Adaptive Color or Adaptive B&W as a profile and click on the ‘HDR’ button.

Note: Adaptive Profiles generate HDR and Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) data jointly, creating photos that look consistent with one another. In other words, after applying either of these profiles, if you toggle the HDR button on or off, you will see either the adaptive HDR or SDR look, depending on the position of the toggle.

To maximize the value of using Adaptive Profiles, please follow these steps:

Always start from the Adobe Default or Camera Default rendering (with no other edits) and enable the Adaptive Profile first.
Reset any other settings before applying the profile.
Make additional global and local edits after assigning the profile, just as you would begin to edit photos with Adobe Color or any other profile.

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

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ndow

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When importing a Camera Raw sequence into After Effects, it has you adjust one image and then it applies that to the rest. I used the Adobe Adaptive Profile, and then when the timelapse played, the first frame stayed as a burned-in ghost layer as the scene changed.
I wonder if there is an easy way for it to apply the Adobe Adaptive Profile to each frame individually, or maybe there could be a warning that the Adobe Adaptive Profile will cause unwanted effects for an After Effects Camera Raw sequence.

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MadDrongo

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Hi - I had a similar expirience importing a batch of dngs into Photoshop and applying the adptive profile. On a lot of the images I got a ghostly image. probably only visible on the ones with a lot of sky. The ghostly image diddnt seem to bear any resemblance to any of the other images but was the same on all of them. Seems I will have to impot the images individually, which is pain as I don't normally use Photoshop but you cant get the effect in Lightroom. Anyway after messing about with a few images I have decides its a waste of time so I have gone back to using my on process in Lightroom CC.

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umlautnord

Inspiring

It seems that the new beta Adobe Adaptive profile won't recompute when turning lens profile corrections either on or off in the ACR plugin. It doesn't matter whether the lens profile is off or on to start—once you switch to the Adaptive profile, you can't flip that status without the Adaptive profile endlessly wanting to recompute.

Expected behavior: When using Adaptive profile, turning lens profile corrections on or off might cause the AI Adaptive profile to recompute. It will do so without issue.

Actual behavior: ACR will instead endlessly say that the profile needs to recompute. It won't ever stop asking to recompute, even after telling it to do so.

See video to reproduce: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8ssdltfhi19quf1hpujpv/ACR-Adobe-Adaptive-Profile-and-Lens-Profile-720p.mov?rlkey=y6h0lae52k25lyckwklfp0ldd&st=aij3djqy&dl=0

Edits to which profile is used, and distortion amount in the profile, do not even trigger the recompute. The issue is simply with turning the profile off or on.

Current workaround is also in video: Switch to a different color profile, switch lens profile status, switch back to Adaptive. Not a major issue or difficult workaround, but doesn't seem like intended behavior.

System: MBP M1 2020 13" running Sequoia 15.0.1; Photoshop 26.0; ACR v17.0.

Jo Ann Snover

Inspiring

I have been experimenting with the Adaptive Profile for Apple ProRAW images shot on my iPhone 14 to see if it helps get vibrant but less "artificial" looking results. In general, particularly for outdoor scenes in bright light (think recent New England Autumn weather with vibrant foliage) I prefer the results from the Adaptive Profile with additional adjustmenets versus Apple ProRaw plus similar adjustments.

In a couple of images with vivid blue skies, Adaptive wanted to make the sky much more cyan than it really was, but that was easily fixed with a sky mask and temperature adjustments.
Adaptive is a much better starting point for iPhone ProRaw DNGs than Adobe Color (based on the test files I used). There are some images with trees whose leaves were probably moving slightly where the Apple ProRAW profile shows clear edges but both Adobe Color and Adaptive have splodgy and blurry edges. Not sure I understand why the pixels (versus color or brightness) would be different.
MacBook Pro M3 Max; OS 14.7.1; PS 26.0, ACR 17.0

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MadDrongo

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I wanted to try the effect but since you only get the option when importing a file into Photoshop I did an image processor on one of my folders. I reset the image on import and then applied the effect and saved it. However, On inspecting a lot of the images, espescially the ones with clear sky I found I had a ghostly background. See the attached pics. One has been process in the "normal" way in Lightroom; the other via Photoshop. The ghostly background is the same on them all. Any Ideas?

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Viktor364195194dkd

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bonjour, jusqu'a présent cela semble une merveille.
Mais j'ai un soucis, un seul.
cela n'est pas tres adapté pour des sujet en vol( oiseaux).

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Sir30357302uu5w

Participant

Lots of detailed replies 🙂 So I will keep my feedback short.

I applied this profile on a near-city night sky photo, with minor landscape. It's turning the photo to a much brigher result like dusk time. Normally the night sky is the ambience so we want to keep it dark.

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LeicaManiac

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I often work in photo studios with models (portrait, fashion, nude - with Leica SL2, Leica SL3 and Leica lenses). Sorry, but “Adobe Adaptive” usually delivers bad results - especially with photos in front of an LED wall, the results are absolutely unusable. Even “light” and “dark” are not convincingly processed for my DNGs with “Adaptive”, colors and contrast are too flat for my taste, It's certainly not a “one click and all is well” application and I'm not looking for one. What ACR offers (I'm not a Lightroom fan) is good for me. However, I hardly ever use the AI options - as far as “explicit nudity” is concerned, Adobe's guidelines still seem to be stuck somewhere in the early 1830s.

andyr

Participant

I have been trying Adaptive with mixed results and often go back to an existing profile. BUT, I want it to work if only it could learn a bit about my tastes. I'm not so interested in a one-size-fits-all approach. What I imagine is something that looks at the changes I make to my images and gives me a one-click and slider(s) approach to where I'm going anyway. Since every change I make is available in metadata it seems like that would be possible. Any thoughts?

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digital paradise

Inspiring

Actually I like the location of the Amount slider for Profiles compared to LrC. I don't use it very much in LrC but I can see myself using it more with the Adaptive Profile as the results are interesting. Sometimes Adaptive Profile is pretty close to Adobe Color and Auto and other files can be quite a bit different.

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altonmarsh

Participant

Get it over to the regular PS as soon as you can. On another front, hope you find a fix for my having to open PS in Rosetta on my Apple chip iMac, and thus losing the Remove Tool in the process.

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umlautnord

Inspiring

A more amateur take:

I've been particularly pleased with how this is handling landscape/wide angle scenes in HDR with slightly broken overcast skies. The skies, and the broken portions in particular, are by far the brightest portions of the photo. It's hard to get that sky to look good in HDR. It's getting the curve and intensity of the HDR about right behind some nicely toned clouds. So, it does a great job with that. The rest of the frame needs a bit of masked adjustment to make the appropriate objects pop (it's a pretty low contrast scene all around; it would need this no matter what). But, it's a really good start.

Flipping back to SDR on the same image is less impressive in terms of how it handles the sky. It's definitely better than any of the "standard" profiles off the bat (and better than standard profiles + auto settings), but I'm happier with the sky in SDR if I mask it and add +10 dehaze to kick up the intensity/contrast a bit. The rest of the image is about the same.

Using ACR 17.0 via Bridge 15.0 on MacOS 15.0.1, MBP M1 13" 2020. Working on Halide Process Zero DNGs shot on an iPhone 12.

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umlautnord

Inspiring

It's mentioned at the bottom of this blog post that you're looking into generating JPEGs with both the SDR and HDR versions. I assume this is just making the HDR version display via a gain map on top of the SDR rendition. This is awesome—the current base SDR rendition tools for HDR images can be really rough. Please be sure to include AVIF/JXL in that file format pool now that you're supporting gain maps there, too!

I'm a big fan of being able to switch back and forth between HDR and SDR mode without having to suddenly re-edit massively for one or the other. This is obviously crucial to that first piece—editing in a way that'll produce great SDR base renditions for an HDR gain map. But it's also just useful when deciding whether it's worth keeping something in HDR.

Broadly, that ability to switch back and forth between SDR and HDR without a massive re-rendering would be great in much wider use. More options for how it actually handles the image colors and curves (ala Color/Landscape/etc as we have today), and the ability to apply across a wider range of file formats. Please include HEIC there. I know we're just getting treated to this in beta and more is coming, so this isn't a criticism of what it can do now—more a "this seems like a good path" encouragement!

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