With the October 10, 2023, release of Adobe’s Photography products, HDR Editing and Output is out of beta and now available as a feature across the Lightroom and Camera Raw products. There is a great article about HDR from Eric Chan at the Adobe Blog here: https://www.adobe.com/go/hdr_explained This thread will be locked now but left in place for future reference. Thank you to all who participated in the testing and evolution of this feature during its beta. Update (12.13.2022) the Beta feature (formerly Mac-only) is now available in Mac and Windows. Camera Raw 15 15.1 introduces High Dynamic Range Output: the ability to view and edit HDR photos on compatible HDR displays the ability to save HDR photos to disk and open them in Photoshop the addition of (read) AVIF/JXL format files Photos optimized for HDR displays have brighter highlights and more detailed shadows, resulting in an increased sense of realism and greater impact. You can enable the HDR Display feature in the Technology Previews of the Camera Raw Preferences. High Dynamic Range Output is currently a Technology Preview feature on macOS. Please provide feedback on this feature in this forum thread.Please see: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/hdr-output.html for more information.

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With the October 10, 2023, release of Adobe’s Photography products, HDR Editing and Output is out of beta and now available as a feature across the Lightroom and Camera Raw products.

There is a great article about HDR from Eric Chan at the Adobe Blog here: https://www.adobe.com/go/hdr_explained

This thread will be locked now but left in place for future reference. Thank you to all who participated in the testing and evolution of this feature during its beta.

~~Update (12.13.2022) the Beta feature (formerly Mac-only) is now available in Mac and Windows.~~

~~Camera Raw 15 15.1 introduces High Dynamic Range Output:~~

the ability to view and edit HDR photos on compatible HDR displays
the ability to save HDR photos to disk and open them in Photoshop
the addition of (read) AVIF/JXL format files

Photos optimized for HDR displays have brighter highlights and more detailed shadows, resulting in an increased sense of realism and greater impact.

You can enable the HDR Display feature in the Technology Previews of the Camera Raw Preferences.

High Dynamic Range Output is currently a Technology Preview feature on macOS. Please provide feedback on this feature in this forum thread.

Please see: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/hdr-output.html for more information.

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ZBalling

Inspiring

Good news, latest Windows 11 Canary insider added JXR HDR wallpapers!

That means decades of not color managed Desktop wallpapers are over!

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2023/08/04/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-25921/

sacb0y

Known Participant

More reason photshop needs native HDR support on windows rather than have it be relegated to camera raw. 😠

Years behind on this! No one pays for photoshop to be behind the curve.

caleb-carges

Participant

This is some incredible work, hats off to the team for this technology preview!

Are there plans to integrate the naming convention & standards within ISO HDR still iamges? (ISO/TS 22028-5:2023)

MadManChan2000

Adobe Employee

We are probably not going to refer to the standard by name (ISO 22028-5) within the product itself, because the name wouldn't be particularly meaningful to most photographers. However, the Camera Raw HDR Output Technology Preview does support HDR still images in the ISO 22028-5 format (open, edit, and save) in the AVIF, JPEG XL, PNG, PSD, and TIFF formats. The final version of the feature will, too. Hope this helps!

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Julian Vrieslander

Inspiring

Why is there a discontinuity in the histogram when working with HDR images in Adobe Camera Raw? The bins in the HDR segment seem to be scaled higher than the bins in the SDR segment. This discontinuity does not appear for the HDR histograms in Affinity Photo.

sacb0y

Known Participant

I wish this worked for all of photoshop, but so far my biggest annoyance is opening Camera Raw is difficult and most of my files refuse to open in it. So if I want to make an HDR image in avif, I have to jump through a ton of hoops. Meanwhile the normal editor works fine but doesn't support avif. 😞

The HDR quality is fantastic for images that work, but this feature is extremely difficult to use outside of photography. Cause 3D renders, created images, and other stuff only works half the time and is difficult to edit without layers and such.

Meanwhile the 360 HDR images I have (that i keep for renders) work extremely consistently, and even open in the windows photos app when saved as avif from camera raw. While my other images often refuse to open, and then when saving an avif won't open in the windows photos app.

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

Is anyone else seeing crushed shadows in camera raw on HDR displays on Windows? It doesn't occur in the output files, just when drawing the image on an HDR monitor. It appears whether HDR is enabled for the current file or not, and updating GPU drivers(RTX 3080 10GB) hasn't seemed to help.

David Franzen at Work

Adobe Employee

Have you tried using different settings for the "SDR content brightness" slider in Window's Settings app in System > Display > HDR? Do you see this having an effect on the "crushed shadows" effect? After changing this slider you may need to switch back to make Photoshop/Bridge the foreground app on Windows to see a change. Can you let us know the make and model of your HDR display?

Thanks for your help,
David

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

Yes, adjusting SDR content brightness does indeed change the behavior of the crushed shadows. The effect seems to go away with the slider at 100%. Of course, 100% makes the desktop overly bright and limits the HDR headroom in Camera Raw, but it does seem to fix the black level issues.

My display is a CoolerMaster GP27U.

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colind66897557

Known Participant

It would be useful to have more control over how the SDR version of an HDR image is displayed— or, failing that, more information about what each tool does. It would also be useful to be able to display tones differently in the two versions. The HDR version of an image often tends to neon in the sky blues, and when corrected for looks unnatural in the SDR version when displayed.

More control over the image compression and output would also be great. For example, it would be nice to be able to specify effort or bit depth. This starts to matter in HDR images, especially JXL, owing to the expectation of higher fidelity. At the poitn in which you are mastering for HDR you are already preselecting a more judicial audience.

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

Has anyone else noticed some weirdness with profiles with HDR in ACR 15.2? Take this photo for example, here's what it looks like the classic SDR pipeline:

But enable HDR and you get this(example pics here are the SDR tonemapped version, but these issues show up in the full HDR view as well):

This is using the "camera neutral" profile for the Canon R7. This issue seems to go away if you export without GPU acceleration, that produces this:

Which I assume is the intended output, since it's pretty similar to Adobe Standard:

But while testing some other profiles as a workaround, I noticed that Adobe Color and friends (ex, Adobe Portrait) all exhibit a strange desaturated region in the middle of bright gradients, such as the grayish halo around the sun seen here:

Unlike the issue with the camera-matching profiles, this doesn't appear to be tied to GPU acceleration, it happens even in output files with GPU acceleration disabled and seems to be part of the profile itself.

The DNG these are based off of is here, if people want to mess around a bit(I increased the exposure to +0.1 from the original embedded setting, since it makes the gray halo in Adobe Color easier to see) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RrvICvht5vlCb5kdwgUuunJU36-Q3ps-/view?usp=share_link

MadManChan2000

Adobe Employee

There are some known color rendering problems with the existing color profiles when in HDR mode. The main issue is that these profiles generally use 3D lookup tables which were originally designed for SDR content; ACR 15.2 uses an overly simplistic method to extend them for use in HDR mode, which is not working well as you've shown in your examples. There are other colors which currently do not work at all in HDR mode (e.g., Color Grading, where overrange values are unaffected but should be). This will be improved in the next release.

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

Gotcha! Figured it might be an issue of LUTs designed for SDR mode. Thanks for the check-in!

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deanh99119405

Participant

Including output sharpening when saving HDR files as AVIF seems to break the image, creating massively increased contrast. All saves fine and views fine in Chrome if saved as AVIF without Output Sharpening - Chrome matches what I see in the ACR window. I've only tried "sharpen for screen, standard" - haven't tested them all. Anyone else finding this? Using MBP 16" XDR display.

MadManChan2000

Adobe Employee

Yes, output sharpening + HDR + GPU mode is currently broken during Export. Sorry about that. We're working on a fix. In the meantime, please either turn of output sharpening, or set Preferences / Performance / Use Graphics Processor to Custom and uncheck the "Use GPU for Open and Save" box

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deanh99119405

Participant

Thanks for the work-arounds - much appreciated!

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Antonello27527181pj8h

Participant

COLORS MISMATCH (NOTHING CHANGE WITH CAMERA RAW HDR OUTPUT)

Hi, i have a mac book pro 14 (1600 nits)...i believed i would have finally seen the shots i took during these many years with my nikon D800 with much more realistic colors that the ones can give you an sdr image/display. Unfortunately nothing changed....using the new function on Camera Raw (Output HDR) the raw photos appear in some cases even worse because essentiallly we have the same image with just more flaring fake colors.

The colored highlights (for example the ones on the shop signs) on a sdr display appear desatureted, so an intense red color can appear yellow/orange or a blue neon light even white.

I followed correctly all the instructions, i contacted the adobe help center, but once again nothing changed....display doesn't show me the true highlights colors even if the fall well within (seeing instogram) the capacity of my display.

I ask you now: is it a limit of rgb camera filters (that they are not capable to register the proper values when monochromatic lights become intense, even if far away less from the ones, for example, can have traffic lights) so that we all have raw photos that actually don't worth too much or is a problem of this new funcion on Camera Raw (output HDR) incapable 'till now to properly rendering the raw files?!

Thank you very very much and the best complimnets to who will reveal the solution 🙂

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

The D800 should be capable of capturing enough data, at least if you set exposure correctly. Are you able to view videos in HDR on your MacBook, such as this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUCxQfpoYCw Try that first to make sure HDR display is working at all on your device.

Next, make sure your source file is indeed raw, and that it is NOT CLIPPED. As someone who's been messing with HDR output in various tools for a few years now, I cannot stress enough how important it is to protect your highlights when shooting for HDR. To check your file, just drag the exposure slider way to the left. With the exposure lowered, your highlights should still look white-ish and have visible detail. If they're solid gray and darken evenly with the midtones, you clipped them and that raw file has limited ability to make a good HDR image. If you can post a sample of a raw file here that you're having trouble with, we can check if it was shot with enough detail.

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Antonello27527181pj8h

Participant

Hi, many lights in the footage you linked present the same problem of false representation of colors...consider the red of traffic lights, the red of the lights on the top of the buildings, in many occasions, the tail lights of cars, etc etc..... nevertheless your video has an high quality and it looks gourgeos. With photos through, we can analize in an easier way the problem of misreprresentation of colors.

You can downloand the test photos from this link: https://we.tl/t-m3DbCdu2BM

The 5627 was shot at 900 iso where Nikon D800 has a dynamic range around 11.5 EV

...7301 at 2800 iso, D800 has 10.5 EV

...6692 at 720 iso, D800 has 12.2 EV

In the 6692 the neon lights signs where blue...in hdr will appear cyan as in sdr!

In the 5267 half a disaster.... the sign C&A should be blue and the ring around red ..ect ect

In the 7301 a disaster...the sign Samsung was blue, Burgerking red, ect ect.

......again, in HDR Output the white shine but the colored highlights or don't flare or if they do, do with mismatched colours

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

Great to see Windows (and AVIF) support in 15.1! However, testing it out today, I'm not sure ACR (at least on Windows) is saving the images properly? Both JXL and AVIF do not match the Camera Raw window when viewed in Chrome and are rather distorted. Also, saving SDR images seems to produce a clipped version of the HDR image, rather than what you see in the "SDR Preview" tool like I would expect

TheDigitalDog

Inspiring

Great to see Windows (and AVIF) support in 15.1! However, testing it out today, I'm not sure ACR (at least on Windows) is saving the images properly? Both JXL and AVIF do not match the Camera Raw window when viewed in Chrome and are rather distorted. Also, saving SDR images seems to produce a clipped version of the HDR image, rather than what you see in the "SDR Preview" tool like I would expect
By @JtheNinja

They don't match because they apparently do not support HDR previews. Which ACR now does.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"

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JtheNinja

Known Participant

The camera raw widget does support HDR previews. Photoshop itself does not for regular documents, but everything is correct in the camera raw view. What I'm seeing the camera raw widget is 100% correct, HDR has HDR overbrights, SDR preview has a correct fallback/trim pass. It's just that exporting does not produce AVIFs with these results. I think it might be related to what @Pawel Guraj said about GPU acceleration, when I get a chance I'll check to see if Windows has a similar issue and workaround.

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