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This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos.

Note:

~~The feature currently only works on raw photos.~~ Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release.

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post.

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature:

Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate).

Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox.

Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing.

Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

When using the slider, the key values to note are:

0 – the input photo

100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo

-100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera)

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future.

Example use-cases for the feature include:

Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.)

Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows)

Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.)

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions:

Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
- The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
- If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

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Correct answer Conrad_C

This reply, earlier in this thread, explains why:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/p-reflection-removal-feedback-cr-amp-lrclassic/m-p/15405349#M28971

Also, it isn’t called “glare reduction.”

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emden09

Participant

Feature for whatever reason does not work on a Photo taken with Google Pixl 7 and preprocessed on the pixel as Black and White Image". Feature "thinks" it remove all the reflections, where it obvioulsy did remove none. Can resolve that myself by using the non-preprocessed version but was very disapointed...

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please consider sharing this example. We can't help without understanding the specific images that you would like to solve.

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brcssc

Known Participant

I was on a cable car and the reflection of us was darker than the clouds behind it. Reflection removal didn't recognize the dark reflection. The original image is a jpg from a Samsung S23 Galaxy phone and was processed with the current version of Photoshop CC.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This tool will work best on RAW images. Did you try setting your phone to capture RAW? Here are instructions on how to do that for a Samsung S23 Galaxy, according to the internet:

Details:

Default Camera App: The stock Samsung Camera app allows you to shoot in RAW format, but you need to enable "Pro" or "Expert RAW" mode.

Expert RAW App: Samsung also offers a dedicated "Expert RAW" app (available on the Galaxy Store) for advanced RAW photography, giving you more control over settings and saving images as .DNG files.

How to Enable RAW:

Open the Camera app.

Switch to "Pro" or "Pro Photo" mode.

Tap the settings gear icon.

Look for the "Picture format" or "Save RAW copies" option and enable it.

Alternatively, download and use the "Expert RAW" app for more features.

File Format:

RAW images are saved as .DNG files, which can be edited in software like Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop, or other RAW editors.

Summary:

The Samsung Galaxy S23 series supports RAW image capture, both in the built-in camera app (Pro mode) and via the Expert RAW app.

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captmas

Participant

No luck for me when using Reflection Removal. I continuously get the digital hash after it processes no matter what I do. I've tried Preview, Standard and Best, each with the same results. I've moved my image to my desktop before processing, I've turned my graphics processor off and also tried with it on. Graphics Processor compatible check is good. I've read the instructions but I'm at a loss as to what else to try. RAW file is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/trryabbhxonur0vyuu5xc/IMG_8234.DNG?rlkey=zscy295i2yo5f6t0rtwnj8mmo&st=u1rjptxl&dl=0

Thanks,

JoeM

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Pehem

Participating Frequently

Unfortunately, the refection removal function is quite unable to do its job. Sorry.

Roland_Rick

Known Participant

I just got an example Reflections making it even worse. Can't upload sample here because of the 47 MB restriction.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please consider posting a screen capture, which will not exceed the file size limit. Most failures like the one you mention (but not all) result from applying the tool to reflections that it is not intended to remove. Without seeing the image, I cannot be of more help. You can checkout the Adobe blog post to learn more about what the tool is intended to do.

Roland_Rick

Known Participant

Can I send a sample on which it doesn't work at all? Can't upload it here because of the 47 MB limit (it's a 70 MB ARW, lossless compressed of a ILCE-1M2). - Generally: if it doesn't work, the "Amount" slider of "Reflections" simply darkens and brightens the image.

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FitzFoto12089247

Inspiring

Even at Best setting, did not remove reflections in vehicle windscreen.

0 gives essentially black screen.

PS 26.8.1

Win 11 Home 64-bit

AMD Rysen 7 5700X

4095 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060

128GB RAM

BTW, given that the effect is applied in ACR, you'd have thought raw files would be supported for upload, and, being Adobe, PSD files too.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This is a photo of a fire truck on a road, with people standing around it. There is not a pane of glass between the camera and those subjects of the photo. The tool has correctly detected that there is no glass blocking the view of those things. The tool has therefore removed nothing. You can checkout the Adobe blog post to learn more about what reflections the tool is designed to remove.

Regarding the black image that you see when the slider is set to -100---that is correct. If there is no reflection blocking your view of all of the subjects of the photo, then the reflection is zero---a black image.

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Eric Jay Toll

Known Participant

The feature is excellent in general use. I have a challenging image. My CR3 image could not be uploaded. The has two reflections in it. The Reflection Removal feature does an excellent job with the right side of the image, but does not make any change to the more serious reflection on the left side of the image.

It would be nice if there could be a way to mask the image to Reflection Removal on one portion and leave the other portion untouched.

(FRANCE 20230525 Paris Montmartre Pigale - 4784.CR3).

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

I tested this photo myself in LrC and it worked well. The result is slightly imperfect, but not to the extent that you describe. See attached screenshot of the result.

lynner18122753

Participant

I've just tried the reflection removal tool in Lightroom on a milky way shot with a pond in the foreground. I wanted to see if it would work reducing reflactions in the pond and help to bring out the star reflections, which it did . but unfortunately it made a dogs breakfast of the sky and stars. it would therefore be helpful to have a masking option with the reflection tool.

Many thanks.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thanks for the suggestion. Would you share a screen capture of the example so I can better understand the artifacts you describe?

DustinInToronto

Known Participant

Lightroom Classic (14.4) the remove relfections tool simply does not work. After it computes, no change. In Camera Raw however it does work - and the compute time is also longer. Something is very different about the back end of the tool in CR vs LrC.

For refrence I'm on Windows 11 Pro, 24H2, Build 26120.4452, GPU: Nvidia RTX 4070, driver: Studio 576.80

DustinInToronto

Known Participant

Potential Issue Spotted / New Solution!

Addtional notice: if I export a DNG of the file from LrC and open in CR, the reflections removal tool no longer has any affect. So back in lightroom, I reset the photo, tried again and it worked! So, remove reflections BEFORE applying edits. This worked for me.