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November 5, 2024
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This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos.

Note:

~~The feature currently only works on raw photos.~~ Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release.

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post.

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature:

Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate).

Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox.

Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing.

Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

When using the slider, the key values to note are:

0 – the input photo

100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo

-100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera)

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future.

Example use-cases for the feature include:

Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.)

Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows)

Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.)

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions:

Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
- The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
- If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

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Correct answer Conrad_C

This reply, earlier in this thread, explains why:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/p-reflection-removal-feedback-cr-amp-lrclassic/m-p/15405349#M28971

Also, it isn’t called “glare reduction.”

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EIMO34043688pfdi

Participating Frequently

I took up the solution suggested by ‘Chapps-LA’ and consistently preset ‘Best Mode’. In fact, it worked once with an ARW file (Sony) – for the first time ever. However, with the second RAW photo, the anti-glare process was interrupted again within the programme after the bar had been visible for about a second. After that, it no longer worked with any photos.

I also have the impression that when the de-reflecting process crashes, something gets ‘stuck’, as if a process in the background is not being completed. This is because it happens repeatedly that when I want to remove the reflection from image A and then (after the process is interrupted internally by the programme) switch to image B in the image scroll bar at the bottom, image A continues to be displayed in the ‘Develop’ workspace. I then have to go back to the library, select image B there, and then return to the ‘Develop’ area, where it is then displayed correctly in the workspace.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please post your system information.

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rotbaer

Participant

iMac
Retina 5K, 27 Zoll, 2019
3 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i5
Radeon Pro 570X 4 GB
16 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
Macintosh HD 1TB
15.5 (24F74)

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kellicia_4718

Participant

Is there a way to just mask a specific area that has reflections? When I apply the reflection removal tool to actually remove the spot on one side of the image, the rest of the image becomes blurry. Not worth using it if the quality of the whole photo and the focus goes out.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

You can reduce the "blur" you mention by changing the quality setting to "best."

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Rafaello666

Participant

I photographed the city at night, through a window. The reflections disappeared, but so did the sharpness. I'll have to test this.

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Chapps-LA

Inspiring

Did you by any chance just use the 'preview' mode instead of the best mode? A lot of people have been making that error, and the preview mode is intentionally low res.

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rotbaer

Participant

I did the standard mode and will try the Best mode.

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grand_4785

Participant

So far, it has been a great tool. Something that would be helpful is to have an option to brush out the parts we don't want the effect on. I am shooting on a blue background, and I have an item in plastic that is reflecting some light. The tool works great to bring back detail on the item, but the background gets edited as well, which makes me unable to use the tool in this capacity. Other than that, solid so far.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thanks for letting us know. We're working on new features for sure, including handling small reflections. Check out the Adobe blog to learn more.

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Sean Goodhart

Known Participant

I've read that the Reflections removal tool in the Distraction Removal panel is still in early life and has on-going development. I've an example image which the team might like to play with.

I've been waiting for a feature like this to be able to re-edit some old images I took through glass. This city view over Chicago includes shadows over the lake and reflections in the sky portion - especially noticable at the top right of the image.

I've attached a screen-shot of the LrC desktop showing the tool option applied, but reflections still exactly as they were.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thanks for sharing. Yes, we are continuing to improve the tool, so watch for updates. If you're comfortable sharing the RAW original photo, that would be helpful.

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margareta94780972

Participant

Remove reflection doesn't work on my MacBook Pro. x

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please post your system information. This tool will work best on newer Macbooks.

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Kristina C.

Participating Frequently

I'm having the same problem. Do you believe that one day its gonna be fixed or is there a turn-around? Thank you.

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tzurlis

Participant

does nor remove secondery placed reflactions, as in water puddel (see sample in right side of pic. under the umbrellas). same for floor reflaction of furnituars and back glass reflaction in musiume.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

The subject of this photo is a pool, pool deck, chairs, a hotel, plalm trees, and the sky. There is not a pane of glass between the camera and those subjects of the photo. The tool has therefore correctly determined that there is not glass, and has done nothing. Please checkout the Adobe blog to learn more about what this tool does.

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EIMO34043688pfdi

Participating Frequently

I tried this feature in LrC on Windows 10 with various photos (CR2 RAW), some of which I took specifically for this purpose. It doesn't work at all. In all cases, the recognition phase is aborted without warning.

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EIMO34043688pfdi

Participating Frequently

The estimated duration is displayed. The green bar appears for 1-2 seconds and shows initial progress. Then it stops, and the ‘Apply’ checkbox is inactive again.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please share your system information. For some older systems, this tool might not work.

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bobbyatk

Inspiring

Tried reflection removal to help reduce the cloudiness caused by particulate matter in pool water.
I'd like to see ACR capability increase in this area, and perhaps also in underwater backscatter (from lights) reduction.
ACR was launhed from bridge, image then opened in PS 26.9.0. Layer was duplicated, converted to smart object, and opened in ACR 17.4.1.2280 as a filter.

Conrad_C

Community Expert

Just curious, how effective do you find the Dehaze option to be for underwater photography?

The reason I ask is that I wouldn’t expect reflection removal to work well for this. I’m not an underwater photography expert and I don’t work for Adobe, but from what Adobe has said reflection removal is trained using machine learning/AI to specifically address reflections of window glass between viewer and subject. But for underwater photos the problem is totally different. It isn’t about plane reflections at all, but the kind of contrast and detail reduction that is much more related to particulate haze and light diffusion as you mentioned. Although the Dehaze model is said to be built around how haze is formed through air, it seems like it would be a better match to clearing up underwater haze than reflection removal would be.

It would be nice to have an underwater feature that addressed water-specific haze and the color shift from the way water unevenly filters the daylight color spectrum. That does get even further away from what reflection removal is about.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Although Conrad is right that this underwater photo is technically not what the tool is designed to do, I agree that its interesting to try anyway. People have been using this tool for other things as well, like fence removal and flare removal. It will also sometimes remove reflections from the surface of water if you are looking down into the water at an object that is clearly visible (e.g., tide pools and other shallow waters). Underwater photos like the one attached here are quite different in nature, as Conrad points out, so it's less likely that the tool will do what you are hoping. Check out the Adobe blog to learn more about future directions for this tool.

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MJG18

Participant

Removal of reflections did not work

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