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November 5, 2024
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This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos.

Note:

~~The feature currently only works on raw photos.~~ Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release.

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post.

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature:

Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate).

Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox.

Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing.

Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

When using the slider, the key values to note are:

0 – the input photo

100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo

-100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera)

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future.

Example use-cases for the feature include:

Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.)

Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows)

Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.)

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions:

Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
- The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
- If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

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Correct answer Conrad_C

This reply, earlier in this thread, explains why:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/p-reflection-removal-feedback-cr-amp-lrclassic/m-p/15405349#M28971

Also, it isn’t called “glare reduction.”

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MarcySB

Inspiring

I am on a Windows 11 machine with the latest versions of everything installed - updated yesterday. I just tried this for the first time in Photoshop CR. It did not do a great job. I was trying to remove reflections in a grandfather clock (before and after attached). It removed the bokeh caused by the camera and the room lights, but did not see ay of the reflections in the clock workings area of the clock itself. This is a tough one because it is not really through a window. Maybe for future improvements.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This is a photo of a grandfather clock, a hallway, and a door behind the grandfather clock. There is not a pane of glass that is blocking the view of the hallway, frame of the clock, door, floor, etc.. The tool has therefore correctly determined that there is no glass blocking your view of the subjects, and removed nothing. Please try shooting photos where glass is covering and thus blocking the view of all of the the subjects of the photo. In the future we are looking into removing small reflections like eyeglasses and distant windows like the one on this clock. To learn more about what this tool does, check out the blog.

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Jo�o_Rebelo3781

Participant

Hello there, so I retouch a lot of media displays photography and there's some with a lot of reflections and some with a blue reflections due to the glass anti-UV treatment. In this cases this tool doesn't work yet but i would love to see this working.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thank you. We are continuing to improve the tool.

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thomask69661824

Participant

The effect is global vs targeted. I was trying it on reflections in a persons glasses and it didn't do very well. It made global adjustments to the entire photo instead of focusing on the glasses. If I could apply a brush to localize the effect I think it might work better.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

That is correct and intended. In the future we're looking into removing small reflections like eyeglasses and distant windows. See the blog to learn more about what this tool does.

oldpiefke

Known Participant

Hey dear all,

I am working with MacPro with Sequoia 15.3.2 and LrC 14.4

The feature emove reflextions is working in most cases, but the picture attached is in none of the three options : vorschau, standard or best working. Does mean some room for improvements for the next update

best regards from Cadolzburg

Franz-Josef

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This is a photo of many pictures hanging on the wall. The subject is the wall, the picture frames and arrangement, and the pictures. Reflection removal has correctly determined that there is not glass between you and all of those elements of your composition. The tool therefore does not remove a window reflection (because there is no window). In the future we're looking into removing small reflections like eyeglasses and distant windows. See the blog to learn more about what this tool does.

oldpiefke

Known Participant

Exactly, this was the case. It has been a test, what potential is in the current application release

Greetings and a nice weekend

Franz-Josef

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Ozdachs

Known Participant

Reflection in Rx glasses are not removed with this. In fact, when I tried a photo with me wearing glasses the reflection was worse when I applied the tool.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

The remove reflections tool is designed to remove reflections from plate glass windows that cover your view. It does not remove reflections from small panes of glass that are part of the scene, like eye glasses. Please refer to the blog to understand how to use the tool, and what it is intended to do.

LeicaGuy70

Participant

Not seeing this as a great addition to LR Classic and if it's wasting resources, get rid of it until it's working well.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please consider posting the failure cases you refer to. Many prior posts about failures result from applying the tool to reflections that it is not designed to work on. You can also read the blog to learn more about how to use the tool effectively.

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Dario5EDB

Participant

Please expand the ability to remove reflections on surfaces, not just windows. I think is a great idea to include this feature on Lightroom, but with A.I. it might be able to work well within the software for surface reflections to be removed - think Bowling Alleys and overhead lights how they reflect on shiny surfaces. If Lightroom can detect those and minimize them to look natural but eaiser on the yes - you have a winner.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thanks for your suggestion!

FrankMazz

Inspiring

32 pages of comments is intimidating. I only want to leave a comment. Wish List: add the ability to crop or mask so the reflection removal is applied locally, not globally. Examples: to remove reflection from eye glasses (!) or perhaps a window that is only on part of a scene.

Thanks for your help. I'll help when I can do so without guessing.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Yes, many folks have already noted this, and its mentioned in the blog.

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Chapps-LA

Inspiring

HELP.

This bug used to happen somewhat infrequently before the latest couple of updates, but for me it's now occurring on every photo. Here's the scenario: if you use denoise before using reflection removal, it completely disables reflection removal's ability to ... well, remove reflections. It might remove a little haze, but that's it.

I do a lot of interior shots in dark museums, and wind up with some significant noise. So I use the denoise tool often, then tweak the results so that I retain as much detail in the shot as possible. Unfortunately, I also have to deal with highly reflective museum glass cases. Now I'm stuck. Three exports are below - original, with no tweaks; reflection removal used, but no denoise; and denoise and reflection removal applied. You'll note that the version where denoise was used is virtually identical to the unmodified original, save the removal of a bit of haze.

Here's a link to the original RAW file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZGuPTHEvfbIVaIqJKMbvnBX9X5AtBM8L/view?usp=sharing

Is anyone else experiencing this? I'm using Canon CR3 RAW files, and previously everything worked great, for the most part. Now I have to decide between denoise or reflection removal - I can't use both. Huge issue for me.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Could you be specific about which updates you are referring to?

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Chapps-LA

Inspiring

The last two beta updates. I'm using the most current version: 26.9.0. This last update has really increased the issue to the point where I can't use both denoise and reflection removal, since denoise basically prevents the reflection removal from working correctly. I had noticed some of this behavior in earlier releases (and commented on it), but it was infrequently causing issues and I worked around it. Now it's consistent - I simply can't use denoise if I need to use reflection removal.

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Calz386

Participant

What a great tool! Getting some great results so far. One request I have is to implement the abillity for the feature to remove textured reflections. Some old photos I tried to restore have a textured grain which reflected the light when my family snapped a photo of the physical photo. The reflections tool appears to not recognize this texture as a reflection (when it technically is). Would love for the tool to be able to remove these types of reflections in the future!

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thank you for sharing this example. We'll keep it in mind.

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