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This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos.

Note:

~~The feature currently only works on raw photos.~~ Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release.

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post.

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature:

Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate).

Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox.

Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing.

Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

When using the slider, the key values to note are:

0 – the input photo

100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo

-100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera)

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future.

Example use-cases for the feature include:

Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.)

Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows)

Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.)

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions:

Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
- The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
- If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

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Correct answer Conrad_C

This reply, earlier in this thread, explains why:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/p-reflection-removal-feedback-cr-amp-lrclassic/m-p/15405349#M28971

Also, it isn’t called “glare reduction.”

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cav_xtra

Known Participant

I've just updated to the June release and noticed that Camera Raw is faster and removes much more reflections. Right side and bottom.

The Wedding Photog

Participating Frequently

Updated today and it does zilch. Even an image of a couple in a car, taken straight on through the windscreen. It really did nothing.

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xksteve

Participant

Canon RAW on a M5

To be honest... I get better results using dehaze

The display did remove reflections of the room but needs to be dehazed to balnce it out better.

The window shots did work (as others have seen) work better looking out and removed mostly my reflection, but looking in no change.

All images are 100% as reducing this setting the image quickly degrades then goes black.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

The remove reflections tool is designed to remove reflections that cover your field of view. This prevents it from removing reflections that are part of the scene (bumpers of cars, distant windows, etc.). By design, the tool will also not consistently remove reflections from surfaces (monitors, wet sidewalks, countertops, etc). We plan to support local reflections in the future. See the blog post to understand how to use this tool.

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Eric dk

Participating Frequently

When the person is smaller on the image with glasses, the reflection in the glasses are not recognized.

20240728_134649_naamloos_EricDeKuijper__DKF6020-ARW.zip

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This tool is designed to not remove small reflections in the scene, including eye glasses. Please read the blog to understand what the tool does. We plan to support eye glasses in the future.

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brcssc

Known Participant

This is a second image today where the reflection removal misses lots of reflections. In this case, while I expect the reflections on the shelving below the jewelry, I don't want the reflections on the window. I have circled the reflections I am referring to. The photo was taken with a Canon R5M2 so the file was a CR3. I tried processing it as both a CR3 and as a JPG with essentially the same results. The file I am sending was processes as a CR3 and the converted to a jpg to allow it to fit in your attachement.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Reflection removal is designed to remove reflections from windows that cover your field of view, and will be less reliable when those reflections are small and surrounded by complicated content like a display of jewelry. Notice that you felt it necessary to circle the reflection in red to ensure that we wouldn't overlook the small reflection amid all of the other complicated things in the scene---we plan to handle such cases in the future. Please also see the blog for other information about this tool.

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brcssc

Known Participant

I processed this image and significant amounts of the reflection were removed, but it also left several areas untouched. I have circled the remaining reflections.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ls9lmmik1hpk44n9rinke/_SC_8226-Piazza-Dante-Naples-Italy.dng?rlkey=8yd4ux663vqtrki7kez0urix1&dl=0

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xksteve

Participant

This is a very usful update TBF. Works well from inside through a window but I found it struggles when the shot is from the outside looking in. Tried it on Canon RAW if that helps and its not bad on Sony jpeg since the last version.

VIJAYKUMAR MEWADA

Participant

The tool did not work. pixelated image attached.

Participant

Inspiring

OK, you folks asked for an example of denoise interfering with reflection removal, and I've got a good one. In the attached images, I've included one JPEG export without any work - no denoise, no reflection removal. I've also included a version where I use the reflection removal *preview*, showing a very good result (albeit in low res, as preview functions). Then I show a version where I've just used the denoise tool, and a version of the image where the denoise tool was used first, *then* the best setting of reflection removal ... with terrible results. If I don't use denoise, then I get fantastic reflection removal results - but if I do use denoise, the reflections aren't really removed. I've run across this many times before.

If I use the manual noise reduction tools, the reflection removal results remain the same. It's just the automated denoise tool that interferes with the reflection removal. Here's the original RAW file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O3r6nArTGcDg0DiZPZ6PIxKpA15ILrbv/view?usp=sharing

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Hi Chapps. Thanks for sharing this result. I agree with you that this suggests that there could be an interaction between denoise and remove reflections. While one or two images alone can't prove it, it seems plausible. We'll continue to improve this feature in the future.