ASP.NET vs. ColdFusion comparison

meeoooow!

MS products are pretty damned 'awsome' in comparison with cf. There is an
IDE that does at least 75% of the coding for you. (MS promise to community
with Asp.Net 2 and VS 2005 was to 'reduce developer coding by up to 75%' -
and they did!)

It's not that cf is not 'awsome', it's just not much more than the likes of
php and ruby and many other dynamic scripting languages. It's pretty good
for what it is, but what it is is available in a much more widespread form
and without the hefty price tag. Really, the reason why cf is barely even
mentioned, let alone used, is becuase it just can't gain any traction -
constantly changing owners, always grossly over priced, and its an
incomplete development environement (eg; it literally is just a scripting
language and a few thousand web desingers saying "we can build an app in
half the time as x, y, zlanguage" but never making any sensible argument for
it - ' magical tags with super powers perhaps??

"Sojovi" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> i_am_lou, you got your answer before making the question, don't make us
> waste
> time with this kind of threads.
> At least, SliceOfLife has a place where copy/paste his posts about the
> "awsome"s Microsoft products.
>

i_am_lou, you got your answer before making the question, don't make us waste time with this kind of threads.
At least, SliceOfLife has a place where copy/paste his posts about the "awsome"s Microsoft products.

That was really my point, John. I should have said that it does not ship with it's own IDE.

Personally, I like the fact that CF is not tied to a specific IDE. I can develop in whatever I like. So, for some people to repeatedly argue that it does not ship with an IDE just seems like grasping at straws. I can't see how CF is any less of an alternative based on the nearly insignificant lack of an included IDE.

For the life of me I cannot fathom a reason why the lack of an [author edit: INTEGRATED] IDE is such a sore spot for anyone on this thread that feels it is an issue.

The condescending, passive agreesive approach toward developers that some people categorize as designers rather than programmers contradicts the need for an IDE at all.

You'll notice as well that the wikipedia links to a list of RAD tools...of which ColdFusion is one. You can see why those of us on this forum have little patience with our troll that says things like "ColdFusion is not really RAD" when it's one of the first and best RAD tools available for web development. Why even bothering arguing with someone that makes such absurd statements or that seems to think that only a Visual IDE is what determines if something is RAD? Lou, it does sound like ASP.Net may be the best choice for you if you want to tap into another .Net application. You can do this as well with BlueDragon.Net which is a great CFML server with excellent performance and lets you take advantage of both .Net and CFML code if that was something you were really interested in doing. But you'd still be stuck having to run a Windows server either way. ;-)

Rapid Application Dvelopment - generally consists of an IDE of some form
with smart drag and drop components and code generation. Generally to be
considered 'RAD' the platform would provide an IDE and a range of third
party components would spring up around said platform . Unfortunately, CFML
is just a scripting language with no tight integration with any particular
IDE. The closest to RAD it gets is by supplying functions (which it calls
'tags'), but this barely counts as all languages come with built in or
downloadabe functions these days. And CF probably has far fewer functions or
third party support than any other platform.





"i_am_lou" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Excuse the dumb question, but what is RAD?

If you are even thinking along the lines of .Net, ColdFusion is likely
to be no real competition. Asp.Net is a more productive and RAD too ,
and vastly more powerful and widely supported. ColdFusion really suits
in cases where there are no developers and just , for example, just web
designers , that need to build a small basic app with minimum fuss.

"Why oh Why is it so hard to avoid these threads, I know I should, oh I
really should."

Oh well, I guess I failed yet again.

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So says an unpublished, as far as I know, anonymous, which is why I
don't know about the first point, lurker. Who only makes vague,
undocumented claims, irrelevant comparisons and anecdotal comments,
occasionally pointing to broad, biased reports.

Question: Do you actually use CF? Do you ever offer advice or
solutions to CF questions on this forum, other then to say, USE ASP.NET
or something else? Where you burned by Adobe nee Macromedia nee Alaire
in some way to warrant all this effort to try and discredit their product?

If it really is dead/dying it will fade away with or without your
commentary. If not, you are not going to make it do so.

If you don't mind, SliceOfLife, I will take my personal anecdotal
evidence over yours any day of the week, combined with the opinion well
published and respected ColdFusion gurus. Who, for some reason do not
need to bash asp.net, php, ruby, ect., to discuss the reasons we love
ColdFusion.

I've played with ASP.NET and it does a fine job. I dislike the many
ways it and the Visual Basic IDE forces me to use certain techniques
that are different then my current habits, but I'm sure with more
familiarity I would be more comfortable with it. But I have yet to not
be able to do something in CF and find the solution in ASP.NET. And I
do a hell of a lot more then build small basic apps, but still with a
minimum of fuss.

I do not think I will quit my job just yet to take any old ASP.NET
position at a fraction of my current salary. I am currently looking for
a new position, but I am not in any hurry so I am being very selective.
If I was, I could probably have had a new job the first day I was
looking. I received a contact within 30 minutes of making my resume
public and have received at least 1/2 a dozen inquires a day since.
There maybe more ASP jobs, but you know I personally only need one and
there seems to be plenty of demand from where I am sitting.

Excuse the dumb question, but what is RAD?

If you are even thinking along the lines of .Net, Coldfusion is likley to be
no real compettion. Asp.Net is a more productive and RAD too , and vastly
more powerful and widely supported. Coldfusion really suits in cases where
there are no developers and just , for example, just web designers , that
need to build a small basic app with minimum fuss.


"i_am_lou" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, indeed, some very valid points have been raised that have helped me
> make a
> decision. I have decided to go with ASP.NET and I already made the
> necessary
> recommendation to my superiors.
>
> I would like to mention that this forum was not my only source of
> information
> about the topic. I did a very extensive Internet research and all my
> findings
> support the idea that, by and large, ASP.NET is superior to ColdFusion
> because
> of things like better performance and full OOP and threading support.
>
> Another reason why I decided to go with ASP.NET is because my organization
> has
> already made a significant investment in the .NET Framework. We have a
> large
> scale Windows application developed in VB.NET and what we want for the Web
> application in question is to possess maximum capability for
> communication,
> such as code exchange, sharing of class libraries and business logic,
> etc.,
> with the Windows one. So having all that in mind, ASP.NET was the obvious
> choice. Now the only thing that remains is to convince our IT folks to
> support
> a Windows server.
>
> Thank you all who answered my questions.
>

I think you should be looking at the near future release of Coldfusion 8 (Scorpian). From what I've seen it's a huge step forward from CF 7 and is reported to have threading and .net support

By the time you finish any app, it will most likely be available. You can join the beta and try it out now while developing: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio