Coldfusion 8 (I want it)

re: It is just it is beyond your ability to comprehend
that there is more then one language that can be used to solve a problem.

There are plenty of things needed for cf that are not /"in the box" - same
is true for other languages. So not a valid point at all.

re: > Different business needs different solutions and .NET doesn't do
everything

It does everything cf can do and a whole lot more - fact.

re: It is just it is beyond your ability to comprehend
> that there is more then one language that can be used to solve a problem.

Not at all -Dot Net is not a dynamic language for example, so there is a
much needed place for languages like php, ruby etc. Cf isn't bad as a
technology and language, its just often bad as a choice for other reasons
(not much support, not much industry around it, not many cf developers to
choose from, generally, it just suffers from being a little on teh obscure
side in many places)

So unfortunately, again, not really any good points. In fact you even added
that I somewhere said there was no ability to use more than just one
language to solve a problem. You literally just made that up all on your
own - so adding to what I initially called "false" statements. Not really
helping your case much is it?


"DueNorth2007" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Campag ... with your mentality, everyone should buy a Toyota Camary (or
> whatever the #1 car is) and to buy anything else would be stupid.
>
> Different business needs different solutions and .NET doesn't do
> everything
> (your example require installing some 3rd party item which CF supports out
> of
> the box). You forgot the search engine, dynamic PDF generation, etc...
> which
> .NET doesn't support directly (you need 3rd party help for that).
>
> So nothing said was false. It is just it is beyond your ability to
> comprehend
> that there is more then one language that can be used to solve a problem.
>

hmm... 12? 11?

re: Coldfusion developer's are rock stars of the industry!!!

Seems like I'm being sarcastic, I know. But rocks stars are famous. CF, on
the other hand, even within the world of IT, has many people at
disadvantage. They've never heard of it and/or think it no longer exists. I
think either php or asp (not asp.net, yet) would be the "rock stars" of the
industry as they are synonomous with web development whereas cf is fairly
obscure in many places/countries.

CF is more like the black sheep of the web dev world.



"frank_tudor" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> It's ok guys...It's all over..I had my meeting. Is there anyway I can lock
> this
> thread?
>
> I want to thank everyone who contributed to this.
>
> Have a super chill weekend, pound a few brews and remember that at the end
> of
> the day Coldfusion developer's are rock stars of the industry!!!
>
> :)
>
> Frank
>

It's ok guys...It's all over..I had my meeting. Is there anyway I can lock this thread?

I want to thank everyone who contributed to this.

Have a super chill weekend, pound a few brews and remember that at the end of the day Coldfusion developer's are rock stars of the industry!!!

:)

Frank

Campag ... with your mentality, everyone should buy a Toyota Camary (or whatever the #1 car is) and to buy anything else would be stupid.

Different business needs different solutions and .NET doesn't do everything (your example require installing some 3rd party item which CF supports out of the box). You forgot the search engine, dynamic PDF generation, etc... which .NET doesn't support directly (you need 3rd party help for that).

So nothing said was false. It is just it is beyond your ability to comprehend that there is more then one language that can be used to solve a problem.

If the point of this post was to find reason(s) to go with CF instead of .Net, a really good one, as stated by Ben Forta, is that ColdFusion has the unique position of being able to process requests in the CF, .Net, Java, PHP worlds, simultaneously, even in the same request. That also translates to a pretty significant business case too.

Good luck, I hope your company chooses that which is best for it's own business and not what a software vendor says you should go with.

Rich

I'll PM or email you the results. I don't want to give troll boy anything else to think about at this point. PM me your email address and I will give you the skinny...

Frank

Well everyone gets what they want in the end. and I got mine. Thanks for everyone's help on this.

:)

This thread is amazing - almost all of teh things said here are entirely
false!!

Charts for .Net - they are free and plentiful. Web Charts is particualrly
respected in this area (mainly as it is robust and easy to use) More on this
here http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/120804-1.aspx. And a gzillion
others via google.

So the chart thing, not a very good point. Neither is the "having to
download stuff" as you need to do plenty of extra downloads with CF!! At
least with asp.net you are virtually guaranteed a solution as it's just a
way bigger industry.

You couldn't find an OR tool for .Net - thats a hoot. I use .Net Tiers adn
NHibernate, both free and both awsome. Plus there are hundreds of others
availabel commercially. .Net plops all over cf in ths area more than almost
any other!!

re: Then you get into your database problems. SQL

Not only are your point totally invalid, but now you are off on to
databases. What has databases got to with anything here, totally different
tool. Do you think that asp,net can't work with MySQL or any other database?
It can and often does. So this point is not only invalid, but totally
meaningless.

re: But guys come on. I think the best part of Coldfusion are the
developers and
the Adobe relationship to its community. Head over to asp.net forums and
submit something to there 'moderated' forum.

And here it gets blatantly silly. The AspNet community is massive, and I
mean MASSIVE! Microsofts committment, activity, and marketing can't even be
compared to whatever you think it is Adobe are doing. Head over to the
asp.net forums? Which ones - their are literally hundreds of them in all
shapes and sizes and they are extreremly active. The cf forum gets a mere
trickle of posts by comparison.

I'm not sure if it's plain ignorance or just porky pies, but there is barely
a single valid point in many of these posts. Which is a shame as there are
valid points in CF's favor. For whatever reason, none of them have been even
mentioned here! Nearly everything here is just plain wrong and very easily
proven to be.

Seriously, the amount of guff being presented here just looks delusional to
anyone who has even half aclue about the web dev world. I'm beginning to
wonder if cf developers are now almost exclusively newbies.


"frank_tudor" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you DueNorth2007...
>
> And that brings up a good point. As I was learning .NET, I was amazed at
> how
> quickly I was out there looking for things, CFX/UDF equivalents, saying to
> myself "someone must have done this before". I found them, but they all
> wanted
> cash money let me give you an example.
>
> In one of my projects, my boss wants me to provide pie charts. I agree
> pie
> charts would communicate ideas effectively. But then I don't know the
> system
> draw stuff in .NET nor do I have the time to dick with it. So I found a
> package that could solve the problem...
>
> Here is what I found: http://www.dotnetcharting.com/?gaw for $395 (one
> website) or $995 for a server license so you can use it on more than one
> IP.
>
> Hmmm.. Coldfusion includes this with there server package. And I just use
> the
> cfchart stuff to build it..and it works and is beautiful. I don't know
> how
> dotnetcharting works or how you filter information to it.
>
> Ok next. I need an O/R mapping tool. Basically a crud/rad tool that
> allows
> fast development of your forms (most common development excersise in the
> web
> world).
>
> Great I go out and found tierDeveloper, which was a useful tool. The cost
> $1,500 plus maintance and support for $800.
>
> So the price goes up.. Of course, but VS express version are free.
> Yea...not
> really there are limitations to the free version, and to use the tools
> above
> you need to have Standard or Professional installed. $300.00 plus I need
> a
> server license for Windows 2003 (web edition is $400) on new egg
> currently.
>
> Then you get into your database problems. SQL Server 2005 Express Edition
> cannot import or export database or tables. So you have to get the
> Standard
> version of that. This is a cost I cannot get around because I like SQL
> Server
> however it is 5 grand (sheesh)
>
> What about the design side of things. Basically the websites that are
> generated from VS look just like crap. To get things to look nice you
> have to
> go into the properties screens for everything. My god you could make
> yourself
> insane to get things just right.
>
> Microsoft has a solution for you but it just out of beta RC candidate 1.0
> and
> it is called Silverlight...Great...
>
> Well I'm going to stop here. You can see where I am going with this.
>
> Out of the box, the cost for solutions is cheaper both in man hours, and
> price. I will cough up the $1300 for Coldfusion 8 any day.
>
> But guys come on. I think the best part of Coldfusion are the developers
> and
> the Adobe relationship to its community. Head over to asp.net forums and
> submit something to there 'moderated' forum. If this forum was moderated
> like
> theirs Campag would have more difficult chance of causing flame wars.
>
> They do that for that very reason. They just filter the questions and
> make
> sure they are worded just right and it goes to the right place. It so
> nice and
> beautiful and friendly...gosh...
>
> Well if anyone else wants to give me more examples or reasons 'BESIDES'
> Campag
> I would love to hear it...
>

Thanks guys...That is exactly how I feel and what I am looking for. I have trouble conveying this message so you guys have given me so much to consider and talk about with management (in about an hour)....(if anyone can give me more..I will take any other thoughts up to the moment).