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July 30, 2007
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Coldfusion 8 (I want it)

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In an interesting change of events my boss has asked me about Coldfusion 8.

We are predominantly a Microsoft house but my skill set is in Coldfusion. He likes the fact that it ties into .NET.

But I have have to sell him on it and the rest of the developers so I have my work cut out for me.

Can you guys give me some good solid reasons why my company should adopt Coldfusion if our strategic direction is .NET?

Can someone lead me to some Coldfusion .NET examples so I can maybe create something using the two technologies.

You help is dearly appreciated!

Yours,
Frank (Coldfusion fanatic) Tudor
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    frank_tudorAuthor
    Inspiring
    July 31, 2007
    Campag, you kind of created a flame war. NOT what I was looking for. Beside as far as making a great looking site CF wins. .NET design stuff is cumbersome and set in Properties windows. Have you ever been able to get your site map and controls to match perfectly? Because I haven't...ever...

    The .NET controls for gridview and formview do odd things and generates a <table> structure not <div>s I don't have any granular control and everything comes of feeling half baked. So when you say oh the IDE this the IDE that. The VS IDE is a tremendous pain in the ass and on the design level it is like a mouth breathing swamp beast compaired to the natural human mind Coldfusion and CSS.

    You know I read somewhere that Microsoft development products actually kill the innovative thinking of designers and developers. Why must it be this way.

    Coldfusion at the end of the day is so fun to use and so fast!! I develop fast, it performs fast. I feel less frustrated and WAY more productive.

    I can list out dry business reasons if you want, but I am running late to work.
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    Newsgroup_User
    Inspiring
    July 31, 2007
    Dot Net to Coldfusion is not a "normal" move. There is a reason for this -
    CF is all code and no tools. Dot Net helps the many ways AND gives all the
    code flexibility too. You get far less choice in the CF world too, and lots
    of choice (and resources) in the Dot net world.

    Any case you make will be skewed to get the result you want. Do a proper
    'pros/cons' list with all variables accounted for, and do your research
    throughly, and you'll get either Dot Net or one of many other more viable
    solutions. The only thing less likley than CF is PHP, as the both of them
    have pretty much all the same problems.

    Look at Ruby, Dot Net or any of the other truly "RAD" platforms.


    "frank_tudor" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
    news:f8m994$rnh$1@forums.macromedia.com...
    > Thank you that is great! Anyone else want to contribute? I am putting
    > together presentation of all the things Coldfusion can provide us. I am
    > focusing on the win/win...
    >
    >


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    Kronin555
    Participating Frequently
    July 31, 2007
    > Look at Ruby, Dot Net or any of the other truly "RAD" platforms.

    Andley, I'm confused. You've stated numerous times lately that you don't consider a platform "RAD" unless it has an integrated IDE with nice WYSIWYG page creation. Can you point me to one for Ruby? I could only find code editors/debuggers (which you continually bash CF for). Why do you think Ruby fits your definition of RAD where CF does not?

    > In terms of RAD - VS.Net is as good as it gets whereasDreamweaver/CFEclipse is a) code based adn relatively featureless.

    You seem to contradict yourself here. The Ruby editors out there are "code based and relatively featureless" as well, yet you deem it a "truly RAD platform". Care to correct yourself? or recant your statement?

    I agree that an honest pro/con list should be made. However, your desire to automatically assume CF will be the wrong choice is just as bad as automatically assuming CF will be the right choice.

    > Do a proper 'pros/cons' list with all variables accounted for, and do your research throughly, and you'll get either Dot Net or one of many other more viable solutions.

    You have no idea what all the variables are, so for you to assume the outcome with your limited knowledge of the problem domain and your obvious bias towards non-CF technologies is just plain stupid.
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    Newsgroup_User
    Inspiring
    July 31, 2007
    re; you can get the rapid application development from using ColdFusion yet
    still tie into existing .Net assemblies including your own custom
    assemblies.

    Yes, but why ditch the even 'rapider' VS / Dot Net development. In terms of
    RAD - VS.Net is as good as it gets whereasDreamweaver/CFEclipse is a) code
    based adn relatively featureless.

    re: > Your .Net programmers can do the heavy-lifting, back-end development
    while the
    > CF programmers work on the presentation.

    Again - with the presentation layer tools available in Dot Net web forms,
    and the automation, generation and ease with which they can be built - why
    go to the trouble to make life harder for yourself? Coldfusion is weak here.


    "Michael" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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    > Well, you can get the rapid application development from using ColdFusion
    > yet
    > still tie into existing .Net assemblies including your own custom
    > assemblies.
    > You can then mix-n-match that code with Java and CF's simple tag-based
    > syntax.
    >
    > Your .Net programmers can do the heavy-lifting, back-end development while
    > the
    > CF programmers work on the presentation.
    >


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    Sankalan
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    July 31, 2007
    Can grab the new features in CF 8 from the link below.
    http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/features/

    Also you can download the performance PDF from the same link and see how CF 8 provides good performance to the applications.

    Thanks
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    frank_tudorAuthor
    Inspiring
    July 31, 2007
    Thank you that is great! Anyone else want to contribute? I am putting together presentation of all the things Coldfusion can provide us. I am focusing on the win/win...

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    Michael8
    Participating Frequently
    July 31, 2007
    Well, you can get the rapid application development from using ColdFusion yet still tie into existing .Net assemblies including your own custom assemblies. You can then mix-n-match that code with Java and CF's simple tag-based syntax.

    Your .Net programmers can do the heavy-lifting, back-end development while the CF programmers work on the presentation.
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