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Color Management for PDFs in Acrobat

  • September 14, 2008
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I'm preparing a PDF where all images are in AdobeRGB(98)
but without embedded profiles.
The global Output Intent is AdobeRGB(98).

1. Is this Output Intent profile embedded ?

My standard settings in Acrobat Professional 7 are:
RGB: sRGB
CMYK: ISOCoated
Gray: Black Ink ISO Coated
Output Intent overrides working spaces (checked)

In my environment the images are shown correctly,
which means that sRGB is replaced by AdobeRGB(98).

What happens for average users who have only the free
Acrobat Reader ?

2. Is there any Color Management in 'Reader' ?

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
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    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    September 22, 2008
    Gustavo,

    Firefox 3.0.1 does NOT need any plug-in whatsoever to enable color management.

    You enable it in Preferences (accesible by typing about:config in the address bar).

    You can then go to any number of sites that offer color mnagaement tests, such as

    http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter

    It works, very, very well,

    Firefox is the ONLY color managed web browser that renders untagged images created in sRGB correctly (by assuming and assigning sRGB).

    Safari, the other color managed web browser, unfortunately follows Apple's ghastly practice of assigning Monitor RGB to all untagged images. This has a catastrophic effect on untagged images saved in sRGB if one happens to be using a Wide Gamut monitor.

    All Apple applications, from the Finder through Preview and iPhoto to Safari have this defect of throwing Monitor RGB at untagged images.

    The problem is compounded by the fact that, currently, Flash transforms all tagged images into untagged ones. (Adobe has announced that help is coming with Flash.)

    But Firefox's color management works beautifully.
    Gusgsm
    Inspiring
    September 22, 2008
    Now that it comes, Firefox is (can be) colour managed with a plugin. But I wonder 'how much' colour managed is really that colour management.

    Just wondering myself.
    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    September 19, 2008
    Yes, I never meant to imply that the issue was linked to the browser.

    Just wondering whether Netscape is color managed or not. That's all.
    Participating Frequently
    September 19, 2008
    Ramón,

    color management for PDFs is established in Adobe Acrobat
    and Adobe Reader (as we know now). This independent of the
    browser.

    Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    September 19, 2008
    Firefox 3.0.1 is fully color managed now, not by default, but it can easily be so configured. I don't know about Netscape.
    Participating Frequently
    September 19, 2008
    Larry,

    Preflight for Digital Color Press (for instance) contains
    Output Intents. No need for the somewhat arbitrary
    comparison with Acrobat 5.
    As you're saying: the Output Intent is assigned as
    AdobeRGB(1998), but this doesn't mean that the file
    is embedded. I read in the help text that such a
    profile is either embedded or mentioned by name,
    then referring to a usually available profile at the
    receiver.
    Gustavo's method seems to show that the profile is
    really embedded (header information is readable).

    My doc consumes without Output Intent 1.915.627 bytes
    and with OI 1.945.353 bytes. The difference is almost
    30 kBytes. Not understandable, because the ICC profile
    itself has about 0.5 kBytes.

    I had to uninstall Adobe Reader, because my old browser
    Netscape 7.1 couldn't be convinced to use Acrobat 7 by
    default, despite assignments in Windows and Netscape
    itself.

    Thanks for the discussion and your help.

    Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
    Inspiring
    September 18, 2008
    Gernot,

    > 1. Is this Output Intent profile embedded ?

    You can find out whether a profile is associated with the Output Intent by running preflight in Acrobat 7. Try Advanced/Preflight/Compatibility with Acrobat 5, for example. When done, look for Overview/Output Intents in the result panel. You should see aRGB there (for your rather interesting doc).

    As to whether it is actually embedded in the pdf file will require some testing to confirm. Perhaps you can inspect the contents of two versions of the pdf with a text/binary editor (a variation of Gustavo's method) if logical deduction isn't good enough.

    > Unfortunately, Reader 9 is now the default PDF interpreter, and I don't know how to define again Acrobat 7 as default.

    Do you mean that Reader 9 launches instead of Acrobat 7 when you double click on a pdf file icon? If so, this should allow you to change it back:

    http://kb.iu.edu/data/adhc.html

    Regards, Larry
    Gusgsm
    Inspiring
    September 18, 2008
    Gernot,

    I believe PDFs store profiles 'outside' pictures, so they are assigned not really embedded.

    But I may be quite wrong.
    Participating Frequently
    September 18, 2008
    This
    "no image has an assigned profile"
    should have been
    "no image has an embedded profile"
    G.H.
    Participating Frequently
    September 18, 2008
    Gustavo,

    thanks for the investigation. Yes, no image has an
    assigned profile, but I didn't know whether the
    Output Profile was embedded.
    It's a kind of PDF/X-1a style, but with RGB instead
    of CMYK.

    Meanwhile I followed Larry's recommendations and down-
    loaded Adobe Reader 9.
    The test shows (by appearance) that the Output Intent
    is honoured, but Color Management settings are implicit.
    No choice, opposed to Acrobat 7.

    Unfortunately, Reader 9 is now the default PDF inter-
    preter, and I don't know how to define again Acrobat 7
    as default.

    Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann