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Monitor Calibration Eizo EV2736W

  • September 23, 2019
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Hello,

I'm looking to calibrate my, almost old, Eizo FlexScan EV2736W. I seriously tried to understand how but the more I read the more I’ve been confused. I tried to see if my monitor has a built-in sensor, but I didn’t find a solution, so I was thinking to buy one, but I found people that recommend a Datacolor SpyderX Pro, other people the EIZO EasyPIX, etc etc. So, can please someone tell me what exactly I have to do?

I also tried to lunch the Color Navigator 7 software but it doesn't find the monitor that is linked to my Macbook pro mid 2014 via mini DP. Do I need another connection via USB?

This calibration seems impossible to me, I can't waste too much time to learn all this staff.

Thank you so much.

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    NB, colourmanagement
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    April 7, 2020

    Hi

     

    Do exactly what D Fosse suggested - word for word.

     

    Forget V4 ICC profiles. There never was a V3, just select V2. 

    V4 do have extra features but many of those have not been adopted by software makers, so using them seems to confer no advantages, just add potential issues. 

     

    IF you can get a 'certified proof' then it's OK to match that white paper on your screen using it's RGB controls, if not, then match your printer's paper white.

     

    Try to illuminate that paper or proof with natural daylight, try to avoid all lighting in your room other than filtered (I mean reduced) daylight. 

     

    Is there a reddish wall or lightsource near your screen, a coloured wall or lightsource can totally throw off your perception of neutral grey / white?

     

    I hope this helps

     

    neil barstow, colourmanagement.net :: adobe forum volunteer

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    Bob_Hallam
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    April 7, 2020

    Neil

     

    So long as it's a good version 4 profile (Xrite profiles are) there are no drawbacks to using v4 profiles and definitely benefits in color rendering.    

     

    Bob

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
    D Fosse
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    April 7, 2020

    The standard way to do it is to set the monitor white point to be a visual match to paper white. This should be done with the monitor's on-screen menus, to avoid eating out of the limited bit depth in the video card pipeline. If you use calibration tables to reduce brightness from 240 down to 120, that's one full bit right there, and you're left with a 7 bit video signal to the panel. That's the reasoning behind this.

     

    The same principle applies to white point temperature (color). It should not be done in the calibration tables if it can be avoided. The calibration tables should do as little as possible. Do it in the monitor itself if at all possible.

     

    Then leave the software to "native" white point. It has already been adjusted elsewhere.

     

    All this is much simpler in high-end monitors with fully integrated calibration software, such as Eizo ColorEdge or NEC Spectraview. There, any setting you make in the software is performed in the monitor's internal processor, in high bit depth, not in the video card. That makes a huge difference. But when genuine hardware calibration is not available, like here, then you have to take some precautions.

     

    Ambient light controls in calibration software is generally regarded as very dangerous and not recommended.

    ruggero.carrara
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    April 7, 2020

    Hello Fosse, 

    so, this is what I did following your suggestions:

    • Deleted all the profiles.
    • Reset the monitor colors.
    • Set the monitor color profile to the original one from the manifacture that it always seems tending to magenta.
    • I let come in some light through the window (2pm) and setted up the white point of the monitor, with the monitor controls, to match a white paper that I have here, is just a normal white board, I have nothing else but it seems pure white to me. RGB values: 95 - 100 - 96.
    • With the i1Profiler software setted up the luminance to 120 cd/m2.
    • i1Profiler settings set to: White point "Native"; Luminance "Native"; Gamma Standard 2,20; Contrast Ratio "Native"; Flare Correct NO; Ambient Smart Control NO; Profile Settings Adaptation "Bradford", "Version 2", "Matrix Based"; Patches "Large 461".
    • Darkened the window and all light sources.
    • Run the measurement.

     

    At the end it seems fine to me, but I'm wondering if the White point Achived is correct, CCT: 7033K.
    As NB__colourmanagement said yesterday: "The generally usable range for whitepoint is between 5000K and 6500K so stay between those parameters unless you have a very good reason to stray outside that range.".

     

    D Fosse
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    April 7, 2020

    I would suggest two things at this point:

     

    • leave DisplayCal out of it for now. Close it and forget it. It's advanced and complex software with a lot of options that will only confuse you now.
    • also close down i1Profiler and delete all profiles. Start from scratch. Set a white point in the monitor that looks neutral to you. Use the on-screen menus in the monitor. Nevermind what the settings and numbers end up as, just get it to look right.

     

    Next, start the pre-calibration function in i1Profiler where you set luminance while the software monitors the level. You still adjust it with the monitor's on-screen controls, but the software measures and reports as you go. Again, a good starting point is 120 cd/m².

     

    When this is finished, the monitor itself should be set up correctly. Now the calibration and profiling can start, while using the white point already set in the monitor.

     

    The white point then needs to be set to "native" in the software, both for luminance and color (temperature).

    ruggero.carrara
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    April 7, 2020

    I can't find a solution. From 5000k to 6000k the white is too yellow, from 6500k to 7500k is too green. The only way to have the white point white is to set the white point to Native, but I don't think is correct. I tryed with DisplayCal, also with i1Profiler but at the end the white is never correct even if I try to calibrate the RGB manually to match the color temperature.

     

    It is more than 12 hours 😞

    Bob_Hallam
    Legend
    April 7, 2020

    There's an environmental factor here that is making your displays appear green.  So as I said to use the ambient light control in the Xrite software to help tame that, and if it can't look to replacing the lights in your environment with 5000k lamps.  One of the issues here is that you may be visually adapted to another source.  Thus the reason to only have one display calibrating and do not compare it to another.  Just compare it to a proof under standard illumination using Photoshop using the paper simulation option with the profile from the lab your using.  Anything else is just fishing around.  Monitors are tougher to color manage than proofs because they emit light.  Our eyes must choose to adapt and will if the monitor is brighter than the ambient light.  but it will be more difficult in comparison if your Mac book pro is used in comparison and it is brighter.  

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
    ruggero.carrara
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    April 6, 2020

    Hello to all!

    I hope you guys are doing good and safe.

    I reset again the monitor and the native color profile of the monitor to try again with these settings:

    • White point D65, you all said to try with a different color temperature, do I have to put it here right? There is an option also to measure this with ambient light or a peace of paper, should these be other solutions?
    • Luminance 120 cd/m2.
    • Gamma standard 2,20.
    • Contrast Ratio measured with a black patch on the screen, shuld I use the "Native" option?
    • Measure and adjust for flare, not checked because I'm in almost darkness to make this calibration.
    • Ambient Light Smart Control, not checked because to do this calibration I switched off all the lights and the other screens, should I activate it later?
    • Profile settings, I changed just the Version 2.
    • Patch set size Large 461.
    • RGB monitor settings to match the software suggestion: R97 - G100 - B94.

     

    At the end, is still too green to me.

    I will try again with DisplayCall now in a different User profile.

     

    Thank you so much guys!

    ruggero.carrara
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    April 6, 2020

    New test still with i1Profiler, the only things I changed are:

    • White Point Daylight Temperature 6000.
    • Contrast Ratio Native.
    • RGB monitor settings to match the software suggestion: R98 - G99 - B90.

    But at the end, when I save the color profile, everything become too yellow/green.

    Bob_Hallam
    Legend
    April 6, 2020

    Yes, that's expected given the advice you are being given.  Sorry.  Use V4 profiles they will be the most accurate.  The contrast ratio is native that's fine.  But try just calibrating to the native ambient light.  Using the ambient light option in the software. 120 cd/m2 is very bright and will wash out the color in a dim room.  Change that to 100 and see if the contrast is closer.  Adjust this value if the shadows are still too open to be less bright.  or you can brighten the room a bit if that's an option   Moving the white point back towards 6500k will make it bluer and back towards 5000k will be more yellow.  

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
    NB, colourmanagement
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    April 6, 2020

    I agree with D. Fosse,

     

    Try a white luminance target level around 120 Cdm2 - your room light should be subdued which would make that acceptable.

     

    The "whitepoint" if targeted to the native white colour of the screen may be too cool (blueish) - if you see that when allowing native whitepoint (as you appear to have done which seems to have given you a result of 7061 K) then I suggest testing 6000 K as a whitepoint target, just as a  starting point..

    With 'whitepoint' higher numbers are colder / bluer - lower are warmer - more yellow / orange (that’s a subtle tint of course) .

     

    You may need to tweak and iterate the calibration to find a white that matches that of your printed images.

    The generally usable range for whitepoint is between 5000K and 6500K so stay between those parameters unless you have a very good reason to stray outside that range.

    5000K is close to D50

    6500K is close to D65

     

    definitely try a V2 profile rather than V4 

     

    I hope this helps

     

    neil barstow, colourmanagement.net :: adobe forum volunteer

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    ruggero.carrara
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    April 6, 2020

    Hello NB, ok, I'm trying with your suggestions now.

    For you aswell, if you have some time and still whant to help me, some news in my latest post.

    Thank you so much!

    ruggero.carrara
    Participating Frequently
    April 4, 2020

    Hello Everyone!

    The i1 Display Pro has been delivered and, after different tests, I'm here to update you and ask for new advices if you've time.

    I would like to have your opinion on these two different tests I did with two different softwares:

    ruggero.carrara
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    April 4, 2020

    i1Profiler, at the end it seems tending to the green and not contrasted. Compared to a Macbook Pro 2014 the white is definitely greenish.

    Bob_Hallam
    Legend
    March 28, 2020

    You are going down a road that requires you to learn some basics or your monitor calibration will not work.  

    Example: Leave Color settings alone... Assuming any old color settings will make your monitor match a proof, then that's actually great advice...but unless you do have the correct printer profile, all of the calibration your doing will not help if you are using CMYK images.  

    So doing a little bit of extra "work" to find out and use the correct printer profile is a valuable thing to do. 

     

    In the example of RGB workflows, where files are converted to CMYK somewhere in a rip, and you will never be expected to use your calibrated monitor as a color reference, then no worries on getting the printer profile correct. 

    If I had a dollar for every sheetfed offset job I received with Web offset profiles used because those were the Adobe Default settings, I'd be a rich man.  This is a common mistake and unfortunately, it seems like there's a lot of bad advice that says it's ok to do.   

    Getting the RGB profile correct is essential as well.  Yes everyone can use Adobe's defaults, and send bad files to their printers because all RGB images end up in the smallest sRGB profile instead of something more flexible like Adobe1998 RGB.  

     

    So be careful when applying generic settings that may or may not fit your workflow.  Easier to explain your workflow here and get recommendations then just winging it and hoping for the best.  

     

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
    ruggero.carrara
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    March 28, 2020

    Hello Bob_Hallam1,

    I always print my works in a lab, I did a few tests witht the default settings and was acceptable, but since I would like to print more and offer more printing to my customers (and for myself aswell), I would like to improve it a bit. The lab can send me the color profile about theyr printer. Said that, the 99% of my work is online and digital, Graphic Design, Web Design and Photography.

     

    I know what's CMYK and RGB, I know about shooting pictures with Adobe RGB and sRGB, but I'm completely ignorant on calibration and computer color profiles, I would need the exact steps to take because unfortunately I'm extremely confused.

     

    I'm really sorry and grateful to your help.

    Bob_Hallam
    Legend
    March 28, 2020

    Thanks for that explanation of your workflow.  If you shoot and process into Adobe RGB that's going to work for most of your workflow.  Convert of course to sRGB for web, but check with your Lab on what profile they use.  I run a lab and our printers at that location are very close to ProPhoto RGB.  If sending files for the Lab is an occasional thing, and you can do all of your work in Raw, then no worries, you can open your raw file and re-export it in ProPhoto RGB as required.  I do this for projects that will require multiple destinations.  

     

    So it appears you are using the North American PrePress defaults.  Change the RGB profile to Adobe RGB and save those settings as another name.  This can be for normal Photo workflows where you do not want to reduce the gamut size to sRGB.   

    If you need it also set up another set of Color Settings for ProPhoto RGB.  Just remember if you are using a bunch of Adobe software and you expect them all to provide a close match on screen, use Bridge to Synchronize those settings.  

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
    D Fosse
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    March 28, 2020

    Leave all color settings at defaults! Don't touch them unless you know what you're doing.

     

    The most critical item in the settings is Color Management Policies. This should always be set to "Preserve Embedded Profiles". That's the default, don't change it. The other policies are legacy options that most likely wouldn't even be there if Photoshop was written today.

     

     

    ruggero.carrara
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    March 28, 2020

    Hello D_Fosse,

    so your opinion is to just do everything witht the X-Rite software and don't mess with other settings? What do you think about the advices from NB__colourmanagement? Is that too much? I'm just trying to understand what's the best solution that match the time that I have to dedicate to it (little unfortunately) and my little knowledge about it.

     

    Thank you!

    NB, colourmanagement
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    March 28, 2020

    Hi

    when you refer to my advice here, which post do you mean (date and time please)

    there have been a few, as I recall, this discussion has run a while.

     

    thx

     

    thanks

    neil barstow, colourmanagement

    NB, colourmanagement
    Community Expert
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    March 28, 2020

    Photoshop 'color settings' are specific to your type of work,

    in any case the settings for workingspace RGB and CMYK are only defaults for newly created documents.

    Not for images you open. The color management policies need to be set right though.

    Screenshot the current settings you are using post that here

     

    and tell us what kind of work you do, where the images you use are from etc. 

    Is your work going out to clients, if so for what use?

     

    I hope this helps

     

    neil barstow, colourmanagement.net :: adobe forum volunteer

    [please do not use the reply button on a message in the thread, only use the one at the top of the page, to maintain chronological order]

     

    ruggero.carrara
    Participating Frequently
    March 28, 2020

    Hello NB__colourmanagement,

    I'm a photographer, I shoot with a Fujifilm X-T3 and I'm still discovering if it's better to shoot always in Adobe RGB colors or sRGB. Mostly of my works are for web and digital devices but sometimes I print it in a lab, and they can provide me the correct color profile about theyr printers. I'm also a Graphic and Web Designer.

    I'm sorry, what settings should I post?

     

    Since I'm completely ignorant on this, I would need the exact steps to take because unfortunately I'm extremely confused about it.

     

    You are really kind and I am very grateful to you.

    NB, colourmanagement
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    March 28, 2020

    Hi,

    I asked you to post a screenshot of your color settings dialog box please, see example below.

    You could leave on default as advised elsewhere here, of course you need to know what default settings are if you've been messing around there, generally that's "North American General Purpose"

    As I explained the, most important settings are the policies, D Fosse has told you what to do there.

    The story is with this "color settings" dialog is leave it be unless you understand what you're doing - the advice of well meaning Internet exchanges may be flawed, mostly that doesn't apply to here, but it can.  Look for advice from an ACP, that's generally good.

     

    Changing things there without understanding potentially results in chaos 

     

    Screen calibration - yes - get started with the XRite software's recommended settings.

     

    I hope this helps

    if so, please "like" my reply and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct", so that others who have similar issues can see the solution

    thanks

    neil barstow, colourmanagement