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pierremg
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April 24, 2017
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Adobe developers, please make Dreamweaver great again

  • April 24, 2017
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First, the responsive layout is dying. I've seen a lot of articles on famous blogs telling this, and I totally agree with it. I think people never liked responsive layouts but starting using only because they were forced to since designers decided this was the future of web design. And Adobe has a big part in it, creating the Dreamweaver CC that makes the task of creating fixed layout websites very hard. Yesterday I needed to create a simple site, nothing complicated.So, I thought it could be great to use one of the prebuilt Dreamweaver templates, but guess what? ALL of them are responsive? Do you guys from Adobe know what someone does when they open a site using a tablet or smartphone? They click on "show desktop version." Yes, they want to see sites on their smartphones like they see on their pcs.

So, please Adobe, let's make Dreamweaver great again. Let me use tables and easily place the cursor on the page and write wherever I wanna write and insert images anywhere I desire to, without a blue box "offering" me a div. You guys might say I can still use tables. Yes I can, but in order to write something inside a cell I need to click on it a million times. And what about splitting a cell or resizing a collum? Almost impossible without css. I don't wanna use css in a simple website. I'm installing a CS version again. Nothing like old school stuffs.

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pziecina
Legend
April 24, 2017

Where did you get the idea that a layout built for a 25 inch screen, can be shrunk down, easily read, and used on a 5 inch screen, or even that users of smartphones enjoy scrolling in all directions and zooming in continuously?

Or even that the user of a smartphone does not have access to the same information as the desktop version?

Yes, I will agree that many sites do hide content that is available to desktop users from the smartphone user, but they do not have to, that is the site designers and developers decission. Many people use frameworks, and use the css rule provided to hide content, but that is not the framework deciding that, it is the designer.

Look at building sites using flexbox, css grids, srcset, picture and detail/summary. How you build a site is your decission, responsive done badly is worse than doing nothing at all for mobile devices, don't do it if you do not want to, but don't blame the software, and certainly do not say html table based layouts are better, or that you are reading that responsive is dead and that the same article is recommending the use of html tables for layout, (they may say css tables, but then they are doing a css table based responsive site).

John Waller
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 24, 2017

Do you guys from Adobe know what someone does when they open a site using a tablet or smartphone? They click on "show desktop version."

Perhaps that's common amongst people you know but I'm not aware of that being common practice amongst people I know. I wonder if any stats exist on that practice.

You sound like you're reminiscing about the web in the 90s.

Nancy OShea
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 24, 2017

A link to "show desktop version" is uncommon on the web these days,.  You really only see that when the site owner hasn't got the means or talent to create RWD and slaps up a mobile only version that's separate from the main site.  It's done mainly to appease Google until they can get the main site rebuilt responsively.

Nancy

Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
Nancy OShea
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 24, 2017

pierremg  wrote

First, the responsive layout is dying. I've seen a lot of articles on famous blogs telling this, and I totally agree with it. I think people never liked responsive layouts but starting using only because they were forced to since designers decided this was the future of web design.

I don't know where you get your information but it's not fact based.  Responsive web sites are not dying.  In fact more people use Tablets and Mobile devices on the web now than ever before.   The so called one-size fits all web site is a dinosaur.

Responsive web sites are exactly what Google wants you to use.   It's a better user experience across a broad range of devices from hand helds to Jumbotrons and everything in between.   If your site isn't responsive, you're being penalized by Google's algorithms whether you know it or not.   And most site owners can't afford anything that could potentially downgrade their Google search ranking.  I won't even go into the accessibility reasons for making your sites responsive except to say that if you're not making your sites user friendly for everyone, you should find another line of work.   This is 2017, not 1997.

Nancy

Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
Jon Fritz
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 24, 2017

Using tables in CC2017 isn't any more difficult than older versions. It sounds very much to me like you just needed to switch out of the new (compared to CS versions) Live View Editor and over to Design View.

The Live View Editor isn't set up for dealing with tables nearly as well as Design View is.

Design View will allow you to click and add text to any cell you like (no million clicks needed). It is also very easy to merge cells in Design View in CC 2017...

Highlight the cells and hit Ctrl + Alt +M.
or

Highlight the cells you want to merge > right click > Table > Merge Table Cells