DW in future

> VS stinks.

2005 is quite decent and 2008 ain't bad at all, really.

> Other then that, it takes some serious getting
> use to for all of the professional developers that have been using
> Dreamweaver
> for over a decade.

VS is not a DW replacement. It's a .net IDE. So, it only 'replaces' DW if
you are going down the .net path (and if you are, you better damn well be a
'coder' ;o)

> I think MS developers that were once pro ASP, like myself,
> will migrate toward the world of PHP

I know that's the path I'd take if given the choice.

-Darrel

"jsteinmann" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> VS stinks. It's made for coders that work mostly in code view in my
> opinion.
> It's biggest plus is it's free. Other then that, it takes some serious
> getting
> use to for all of the professional developers that have been using
> Dreamweaver
> for over a decade. I think MS developers that were once pro ASP, like
> myself,
> will migrate toward the world of PHP, leaving the C# alone for those mega
> huge
> corporate jobs that have no budget.

I don't entirely agree with this statement,
in my experience the "getting used to" part is more about programming vs.
assembling an application from pre-made parameterized controls and blocks of
code.
For the last two years I've been perfectly happy with coding my ASP.NET
Controls and Business Tiers in VS/SD while designing and assembling pages in
DW.
The comparison between VS and SW is like comparing a microscope with
telescope; both are based on the same principle but have different
applications.

Joris

VS stinks. It's made for coders that work mostly in code view in my opinion. It's biggest plus is it's free. Other then that, it takes some serious getting use to for all of the professional developers that have been using Dreamweaver for over a decade. I think MS developers that were once pro ASP, like myself, will migrate toward the world of PHP, leaving the C# alone for those mega huge corporate jobs that have no budget.

"Vjero" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> i wonder will adobe ever stand up against visual studio. I was just
> looking at
> flash demo and it looks cool. I am using VS for few years and it is
> definitely
> best IDE available. Now, when i look at this demo, DW looks much better. I
> am
> professional web developer and now i am thinking to switch to MVC
> approach.
> Most of best and latest webs are not following web forms strictly - for
> example when u use ajax. Before i was big DW fun - and for many years i
> haven't
> seen any improvements. Now i am happy to see that there are some cool
> feauters
> - at least some, and that DW is not completely dead. I hope dev team reads
> this
> forum and that they will make some IDE with intellisense support and
> normal
> debugging. (BTW - i was trying to work with flash as - nightmare after VS
> user
> experience). If MS can steal best UI practices from Macromedia (or Adobe),
> i
> think Adobe should do the same from coding perspective.


I'm a long time Dreamweaver user and find myself using DW less and less for
coding, in favor of SharpDevelop/VisualStudio and Eclipse/Aptana.
Initially I relied on the Server Behaviors and tweak the code as needed,
later I turned custom code into my own serverbehaviors, while Dreamweaver
provides basic code-completion, and 'code block recognition' it doesn't do
any 'reflection' on the code, meaning it doesn't understand the code but
merely uses pattern-matching to match specific blocks of code.
Pages tend to get bloated and the same code is replicated over and over
again, suites like NeXTensio/Kollection/ADDT try to remedy this by
abstracting common procedures into classes and includes but there still is a
lot of replicated code.

nX07 wrote:
> I do wish, and hope though, that
> they improve PHP development within DW, perhaps have code-hints automatically
> recongize user created variables/functions; have the ability to have code-hints
> automatically appear as they do with HTML/CSS insted of pressing ctrl+space..

Tell the development team directly:

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

The more people submit formal requests for specific features, the more
likely they are to be implemented.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS3" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Julian is right in that Adobe is removing ASP.NET server model from DW in the next release.

I do know many coders though that perfer Dreamweaver over many other IDEs, some PHP programmers I know use Dreamweaver eventhough Zend is also available for them; and I know some ASP/ASP.NET Programmers that do work in Dreamweaver when VS 2005 is available to them.

Personally, I can see why DW is dropping ASP.NET - The Visual Studio is taylored specifically for those .NET technologies, where is dreamweaver is a swiss-army knife of sorts for those languages. I do wish, and hope though, that they improve PHP development within DW, perhaps have code-hints automatically recongize user created variables/functions; have the ability to have code-hints automatically appear as they do with HTML/CSS insted of pressing ctrl+space..

The way I see it that VS and DW are mutually exclusive. VS is for coders and
DW for designers. Ne'er the twain shall meet. Personally, I use VS for the
coding of pages and DW for the design. This workflow works well for me. I
believe that the ASP.NET server model is being removed from future versions
of DW. I'd imagine they'd still keep tag completion though. That should be
all we need.

--
Jules
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