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Time to Move from ASP

  • April 22, 2007
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I have used ASP/VB with Dreamweaver for 7 or 8 years and have become productive at building dyanmic, database-driven sites using WA, InterAkt and other extensions. I have dreaded the day of moving from ASP for some time, but I am starting to think that it may be better to do this sooner than later. I contineu to see other technologies progress, and I feel that I may be missing out by not moving.

My inclination was to stick with MS and ASP.NET. Unfortunately, my experience left me rethinking that decision. Yes, ASP.NET 2 is light years ahead of ASP.NET 1.1, but in terms of real world productivity (for non-Enterprise level sites), I found ASP.NET to be mostly a stumbling block to productivity. My friend keeps telling me to stick with it and I’ll “get it” at some point… but I just don’t think I have the perseverance or desire to “get it.” I don’t work for a large company, or work with a development team. I am a small, but busy one man shop that focuses on small and medium sized business websites. ASP.NET just seems like overkill in a big way for me.

I was hoping Dreamweaver CS3 would have some great integration with ASP.NET that might change my opinion. That, of course, didn’t happen. The more I consider the issue, PHP may be the wise choice for me. From the start, I have the benefit of most of my extensions being compatible with PHP. A big plus. I can continue using Dreamweaver as my primary development tool. Another big plus. My concerns are whether it makes sense to run PHP on IIS and also, whether I am able to continue using MS SQL Server for development, or whether I would find MySQL to be the path of least resistance.

I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have as well as any unforeseen problems I may not have considered.

Thank you in advance.
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Inspiring
April 22, 2007
Pat Shaw wrote:
> Why the rush to move away from asp? It is still (and will continue to be)
> well supported.

I'm sure that ASP will be around for a long time, but how long? The
problem of sticking with ASP is that you're using a technology that's
not moving forward. When the day eventually comes that you want to move,
it's not like buying a new car and just driving it off. It's more like
learning to walk again after an accident.

> Personally, I would stick with asp and focus on getting to grips with .net2.
> Make the transition when you feel you are ready.

I'm sure that's sensible advice for many people already at home with
ASP. I made the move from ASP to PHP about five years ago because I
found ASP difficult to use. I also needed to move to a new server, so I
decided to give PHP a try. I personally found PHP a lot easier to use.
If the OP has encountered difficulties with .NET, it might be worth
giving PHP a trial run.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/
Inspiring
April 22, 2007
Why the rush to move away from asp? It is still (and will continue to be)
well supported.

Personally, I would stick with asp and focus on getting to grips with .net2.
Make the transition when you feel you are ready.

Good luck in whichever path you decide to take.

"brianmisty" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:f0eiq4$bjh$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>I have used ASP/VB with Dreamweaver for 7 or 8 years and have become
>productive
> at building dyanmic, database-driven sites using WA, InterAkt and other
> extensions. I have dreaded the day of moving from ASP for some time, but I
> am
> starting to think that it may be better to do this sooner than later. I
> contineu to see other technologies progress, and I feel that I may be
> missing
> out by not moving.
>
> My inclination was to stick with MS and ASP.NET. Unfortunately, my
> experience
> left me rethinking that decision. Yes, ASP.NET 2 is light years ahead of
> ASP.NET 1.1, but in terms of real world productivity (for non-Enterprise
> level
> sites), I found ASP.NET to be mostly a stumbling block to productivity.
> My
> friend keeps telling me to stick with it and I?ll ?get it? at some point?
> but I
> just don?t think I have the perseverance or desire to ?get it.? I don?t
> work
> for a large company, or work with a development team. I am a small, but
> busy
> one man shop that focuses on small and medium sized business websites.
> ASP.NET
> just seems like overkill in a big way for me.
>
> I was hoping Dreamweaver CS3 would have some great integration with
> ASP.NET
> that might change my opinion. That, of course, didn?t happen. The more I
> consider the issue, PHP may be the wise choice for me. From the start, I
> have
> the benefit of most of my extensions being compatible with PHP. A big
> plus. I
> can continue using Dreamweaver as my primary development tool. Another
> big
> plus. My concerns are whether it makes sense to run PHP on IIS and also,
> whether I am able to continue using MS SQL Server for development, or
> whether I
> would find MySQL to be the path of least resistance.
>
> I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have as well as any
> unforeseen problems I may not have considered.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>


Inspiring
April 22, 2007
"David Powers" <david@example.com> wrote in message
news:f0fd1p$adv$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>> The bottom line s that if you want to move into PHP, you better find a
>> good Unix/Apache host and move away from the typical Windows/IIS hosts.
>
> Agreed. I presumed that the OP was asking about IIS for the benefit of
> local testing. Using IIS would permit continued maintenance of ASP sites
> while making the transition to PHP.

I would prefer to keep both IIS and Apache running at the sae time (on
different ports). But using only IIS locally isn't too bad.

Massimo


Inspiring
April 22, 2007
Massimo Foti wrote:
> Running in CGI mode also means inferior performances and much higher CPU
> usage.
>
> The bottom line s that if you want to move into PHP, you better find a good
> Unix/Apache host and move away from the typical Windows/IIS hosts.

Agreed. I presumed that the OP was asking about IIS for the benefit of
local testing. Using IIS would permit continued maintenance of ASP sites
while making the transition to PHP.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/
Inspiring
April 22, 2007
"David Powers" <david@example.com> wrote in message
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> Apache is the web server of choice for PHP, but it runs perfectly well on
> IIS. The main problem with running PHP on IIS is that most IIS
> installations are in CGI mode, which means that a small number of features
> are not available to you. In most cases, this is an inconvenience, not a
> showstopper.

Running in CGI mode also means inferior performances and much higher CPU
usage.

The bottom line s that if you want to move into PHP, you better find a good
Unix/Apache host and move away from the typical Windows/IIS hosts.


--
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Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire
Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers:
http://www.massimocorner.com
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Inspiring
April 22, 2007
brianmisty wrote:
> My concerns are whether it makes sense to run PHP on IIS and also,
> whether I am able to continue using MS SQL Server for development, or whether I
> would find MySQL to be the path of least resistance.

Apache is the web server of choice for PHP, but it runs perfectly well
on IIS. The main problem with running PHP on IIS is that most IIS
installations are in CGI mode, which means that a small number of
features are not available to you. In most cases, this is an
inconvenience, not a showstopper.

PHP supports MS SQL Server, but the PHP server behaviors in Dreamweaver
work with MySQL only.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/