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When will Adobe finally bring back Kollection

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February 27, 2017
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I use to use my fathers old Mac and Dreamweaver 8.02 and he used to have an extension called Kollection. When I asked him why it was not in the current (2017) version of Dreamweaver his reply was - " Because Adobe is Stupid"

I'm beginning to believe him. I cannot understand why Adobe would take this out entirely at all. From what I can gather it was the most timing saving extension for Dreamweaver from a developers standpoint. Right now creating simple lists and insert/update forms takes 10 times as long they it use to take. I understand that Adobe is a creative application company but who ever made this decision to do away with this got it way wrong.

Can anyone explain Adobe's logic in doing away with all these time saving feature they bought ?

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Correct answer pziecina

The old 'Kollection' extension, produces outdated code, and will never return.

It's main problem was that it required a complete rewrite for every new version of Dw, and this was not just time consuming but expensive. Adobe did however have the developers who worked on the extension, develop, Business Catalyst.

Which is still in use, and being continually developed.

BenPleysier

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Kollection was a collection of commercial extensions for Dreamweaver produced by InterAkt. When Adobe bought them out, some (not all) of the extensions were pulled together into one commercial extension called ADDT (Adobe Database Developers Toolkit). The product in its various forms has always been a paid-for extension.

At the moment I am using the products from DMXZone and I am flying through my database driven projects. Have a look 5 minutes into this video https://www.dmxzone.com/go/32781/dmxzone-app-connect-data-traversal-data-detail-component to see the outcome. Being able to create an Ajax enabled master/detail region within 5 minutes, has all of the winners for me.

I can make bespoke CMS sites, email programs, shopping carts and much more in record time, translating into competitive rates.

Forget Kollection!

Wappler is the DMXzone-made Dreamweaver replacement and includes the best of their powerful extensions, as well as much more!

O

osgood_

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BenPleysier wrote
Kollection was a collection of commercial extensions for Dreamweaver produced by InterAkt. When Adobe bought them out, some (not all) of the extensions were pulled together into one commercial extension called ADDT (Adobe Database Developers Toolkit). The product in its various forms has always been a paid-for extension.
At the moment I am using the products from DMXZone and I am flying through my database driven projects. Have a look 5 minutes into this video https://www.dmxzone.com/go/32781/dmxzone-app-connect-data-traversal-data-detail-component to see the outcome. Being able to create an Ajax enabled master/detail region within 5 minutes, has all of the winners for me.
I can make bespoke CMS sites, email programs, shopping carts and much more in record time, translating into competitive rates.
Forget Kollection!

Meanwhile while that guy with the somewhat robotic voice is still clicking around his UI (that's a whole lot of clicking). Its nice for those that are code challenged I must admit but seriously you have to be kidding.

I have a set of snippets that can do the basics, which that is, as fast if not faster. Connecting to a database, choosing a table, binding data is not rocket science and you certainly can do it without an elaborate extension. I think that would slow me down personally.

BenPleysier

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Its nice for those that are code challenged

Yep! Yet again you are labelling me. Be glad that we can't all be as knowledgeable as you, you would have nothing to boast about.

Wappler is the DMXzone-made Dreamweaver replacement and includes the best of their powerful extensions, as well as much more!

O

osgood_

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Probably the same reason Betamax wont be making a return any time soon.

Nancy OShea

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I have no idea what Kollection was or who it was made by. Incidentally, I've been using DW since Macromedia version 8.

Maybe it was based on obsolete code?
Maybe the developer abandoned the code base & never updated it to modern standards?
Maybe the developer went out of business?

I use 3rd party commercial extensions in DW CC that help me develop apps more efficiently. Most notably from WebAssist & DMX Zone.

Making lists is easy peasy with DW's built-in Emmet shortcuts.

In code view, type

ul>li*5

Followed by tab key and you get this.

<ul> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ul>

Nancy

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pziecina

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote
I have no idea what Kollection was or who it was made by.

It was a collection of server side extensions, covering most languages available at that time, (cannot remember if it supported java, don't think so).

The problem with it was that even though it looked like a good idea at the time, it suffered from the same problem as the old SB's, in that everything was completely outdated for the modern web, (database by ODBC) and security related database problems for many of the languages.

Its main focus was however classic asp, and it never really caught up with .net and php best practices.

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osgood_

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pziecina wrote
and it never really caught up with .net and php best practices.

Sounds familar. The problem is everything moves lightening fast in this industry and unless you keep re-inventing yourself and your product/s you will get left behind. Kollection, if I remember correctly, was a good collection at the time.

pziecinaCorrect answer

Legend

The old 'Kollection' extension, produces outdated code, and will never return.

It's main problem was that it required a complete rewrite for every new version of Dw, and this was not just time consuming but expensive. Adobe did however have the developers who worked on the extension, develop, Business Catalyst.

Which is still in use, and being continually developed.

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haleyt88803336Author

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My question wasn't to bring it back but for Adobe to have something similar for its ease of use. Kollections is over 10 years old so of course it would be obsolete but the workflow in terms of quickly setting basic stuff up was a good one and Adobe right now seems to have abandoned a core reason many developers gravitated to Dreamweaver

pziecina

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Dreamweaver is not looking at server side support any more, and even getting it to move beyond IE8 supported css and html is not working.

The only thing I can suggest is that you post a feature request at -

https://dreamweaver.uservoice.com/

Personally I have given up filling feature requests, as I don't think anyone is listening, but one never knows, you may have better luck.

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