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antbal
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Adobe Flash availability after 2020?

  • February 17, 2020
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It's been known Adobe terminates flash support by end of 2020, however companies are interested what happens after 2020 - is it possible still to run Flash in major browsers, just without support?  Asking to have plan B if companies won't finish migration by end of 2020, and what are possible workarounds?

Microsoft support told that it depends on Adobe, if they keep flash still available.

 

thanks!

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    Correct answer jeromiec83223024

    Our support partner Harman can work with you on possible options: 

    https://services.harman.com/partners/adobe

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    Gino5EB4
    Participant
    September 25, 2020

    Does anyone know what the Harman solution will cost for 100/1000/10000/100000 seats?

    carlos_rovira_royale
    carlos_rovira_royale
    Participant
    September 20, 2020

    Hi,

     

    just to complement to what Greg Dove said and for people insterested in Apache Royale. A part from Tour De Jewel I can give you some links that could show what can be done with this new technology:

     

     

    Some instersting links about Royale:

     

    We''ll be doing some talks in few days in at ApacheCon Home: https://twitter.com/carlosrovira/status/1296017685789257729

     

    The talk about "Starting from a blank file" will cover the TodoMVC examples.

     

    If you're interested join us in our user and/or dev mailing lists here: https://royale.apache.org/mailing-lists/

     

    HTH

     

    Carlos

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    Greg Dove
    Inspiring
    September 19, 2020

    For others still looking to port Flex apps to html5, Apache Royale (https://royale.apache.org/) can provide another reasonable option. It still requires some effort (mostly in UI parts) when porting apps, but because Apache Royale supports actionscript 3 and mxml for targeting the browser, large parts of the original business logic code can usually be retained as-is. Apache Royale is open source (and the community is receptive to new people getting involved if you want to join in with the effort). Although there are some Flex 'emulation' component sets which may make porting from the original mxml easier, there are also other modern approaches such as Jewel: https://royale.apache.org/tourdejewel/.

     

    Robert Mc Dowell
    Robert Mc Dowell
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    September 19, 2020

    Hi Greg,

    what about NetConnection, NetStream and Stage3D classes?

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    Greg Dove
    Inspiring
    September 19, 2020

    Hi Robert, it's fair to say that most of the effort for Royale has been focused on the Flex classes, without trying to emulate everything at the flash.* package level. But, to be clear, there are already many commonly used flash.* classes that are emulated in some way. For example AMF3 serialization/deserialization is currently supported (via AMFBinaryData instead of ByteArray) and so regular remoting service calls (http) are currently supported via some basic 'NetConnection' emulation. But rtmp data streaming connections are not currently emulated. I think this could very likely be addressed for rtmp data-only streaming if there was enough demand and shared effort (I believe something similar has been done in the past via websockets in other projects, such as Mozilla Shumway). I am part of the Royale community and I have had conversations with others about this, but we did not get started on it yet. For rtmp video and audio streaming I am far less confident about those, but I also have not looked into it in any way. I think that among the issues there would probably be related to the codecs which the flash player has that may not be available.

    Stage3D is not currently emulated because it has not been a priority as it was not an essential part of 'Flex' and because Flex apps (very generally) did not tend to use it (although I have worked on a Flex app that does). Probably there could be a way to use other established libraries that support Stage3D emulation. e.g from OpenFL javascript library for example. OpenFL is more focused on emulating lower level flash apis, whereas Royale is more focused on Flex/mxml level and has a more direct-to-browser lower level implemenation of things at the 'display' level. Because it is possible to integrate 3rd party javascript libraries into Royale by creating Royale 'typedefs' that define the api in as3, then it might be possible to have an alternate Stage3D emulation 'below' the Royale app, similar to how it works with the real 'stage' approach in the flash player. Just some thoughts for now, hope that helps.

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      Alexei5D13
      Participating Frequently
      August 24, 2020

      You do not understand the situation. There are thousands systems which requires flash in browser for management purpose and these systems can not and will not be upgraded or replaced. So we NEED flash in browsers for the next 10 years, at least, If MS or CHROME or FF will drop it then we will keep Windows XP and Windows 7 and FF with upgrades blocked and run it anyway.

      Smart thing could be to make it plug in and by default restrict to INTRANET only as it is, in 99% cases, on private IP. But it can not be eliminated as hardware and softwzare whoch requires it can not be upgraded or upgrades are nit reqsonable. If browsers used on public INTERNET this action could be OK but they are used in internal systems so if browser designefrs wsnts to stop it from working then admins just will keep unpatched systems and browsers for the next 10 years for the management purpose (as I keep Windows 2000 and Windows 2003 and Windows XP because of many hardware systems can be used from these systems only).

      SO it is not better security; it is worst security as we are forced to block updates (I already blocked updates on a few virtual systems so to prevent surpises like SSLv3 drop - we have. again, few systems which requires SSLv3 support) and the same will happens with flash - old systems will be frozen and used without updates at all (I can froze updates in windows10 too) The reason is that risk to lost ability to manage systems (older SAN storages, older console cards and so on) is too serious and all these systems arte protected inside sandbox zones so security is not immediate concern.

      (Examples - Vmware 5.5 VC, VMware 6.5 VC, VMware VDP, few SAN systems, a lot actually. World is much more complex vs just 'geeks on Internet who play games'.)

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        Anonymous
        August 24, 2020
        Adobe announced end of life for flash in 2012, they gave plenty of warning
        and reminders along the way. Heck, talk about the potential phasing out
        started I 2009!
        jeromiec83223024
        Community Manager
        jeromiec83223024Community ManagerCorrect answer
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        July 30, 2020

        Our support partner Harman can work with you on possible options: 

        https://services.harman.com/partners/adobe

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        Anonymous
        August 13, 2020

        If Harman is your partner in all except China.  Who has distribution rights post 2020 in China 

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        Anonymous
        July 17, 2020

        Though this has been answered already, it has been revealed by Adoba them selves via news release stated that even the Flash Player Projector has a built in kill switch and will stop working at EOL date. Adobe is said to also be paying Microsoft to remove support and I have also read they will be making the source code restricted as trade secret via patent, thus effectively making it's use beyond EOL illegal and I as a web developer support this bold action as alternatives such as HTML5/WebGL and now the new WebGPU protocol are all better and much more secure.

        jeromiec83223024
        Community Manager
        jeromiec83223024Community Manager
        Community Manager
        July 30, 2020

        Here's the official statement: 

        https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/

         

         

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        Anonymous
        August 4, 2020

        Hi jeromiec,

         

        Do you mean that Flash Player Projector not available afer 2020. What is the option for company that still want to use Flash after 2020?

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          Test Screen Name
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          February 17, 2020

          All major browser makers have said they will block Flash at the end of 2020 (or before). Microsoft Support are _not_ reporting the previously stated policy of Microsoft here https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2017/07/25/flash-on-windows-timeline/ . Since Windows 10 bundled Flash, since Windows 10 updates are compulsory: we can assume Microsoft will release a compulsory patch to stop Flash working in their browsers on Windows 10.

           

          Adobe's advice has consistently been: there is no plan B.  This why there has been the unique and unprecidented lead time of well over 3 years before shut down. Adobe's statement: https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/

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          antbalAuthor
          Participant
          February 18, 2020

          Hi,

          thanks for reply.

          Microsoft blog you ref. says:

           

          "By the end of 2020, we will remove the ability to run Adobe Flash in Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer across all supported versions of Microsoft Windows. Users will no longer have any ability to enable or run Flash."

           

          What if for plan B we run temporary on Windows 7 which is not supported platform, what would mean Flash should be able to run.   Question - would flash not be blocked by Adobe on Windows 7 or lower windows version?

           

          thanks!

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            Test Screen Name
            Legend
            February 18, 2020

            Where would you get Flash Player if Adobe stop distributing it?

            >  would flash not be blocked by Adobe on Windows 7 or lower windows version?

            Adobe are not blocking Flash anywhere - or if they are, they have not said. Browser makers are blocking.

             

            We absolutely do not know what will happen. Perhaps Adobe have a time limit in Flash Player and it will stop everywhere. This seems unlikely, but this could happen. THERE IS NO PLAN B. 

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