Do you agree with Steve Jobs?

I do agree with Steve jobs about a lot of things but the flash thing is just wrong. I am a mac person for 30 years but I love flash and just do not get it. You can see how I use it at http://www.electronic-cigarettes-now.com/

Hi, just going to put my 2 cents in:-) I think some perspective is needed. First from all I know about Steve Jobs and Apple, the attitude is "my way or the highway". Feel free if I have the wrong opinion and please provide some info to counter it.

And in my opinion that kind of attitude of not working together causes, the "it's your fault", no "it's yours"

Microsoft and Adobe work together just fine. And I am of the opinion that the Adobe Flash Player works just fine. Now before I hear all of the opposite opinions, let me continue.

In my time here on the Adobe Flash Player forum and yes I am elsewhere as well. I read many forums and help sites.

99% of the time that there is a problem "Flash Player.....(fill in the blank)" it is Third party add ons(which there are many), Anti-Virus/Spyware programs, Firewalls, ActiveX Controls, BHO's, Helpers, Search add ons, the many browsers,

the many Toolbars(with their 2-5 ActiveX Controls) and if there are any I haven't mentioned, please feel free to add to the list.

The Adobe Flash Player is a Browser plug-in first and foremost. It works thru the browser. And any add on installed in any browser can be a positive add on or it can be a negative add on. It affects how the browser is going to work, that is it's purpose for being there. An add on can conflict with the browser itself, and any add on can and does at times conflict with the other add ons.

Now put yourself in Adobe's place for a minute. Would you contact every add on (see above list) program to see if you should write the code for YOUR Flash Player so it works with them? No, not at all. You want your add on to work, then YOU have the responsibility to see that it does. You have a program you want to run on Windows? Sure, Bill Gates will re-design Windows just for you.

That is my opinion and reasoning. Yes, Steve Jobs is wrong. He understands the pecking order. Top Dog, next Top Dog, next Top Dog and so on down the line:-)

eidnolb

Feel free to comment also.  Now I need to go knock down the 4-5 ft. icicles from my house:-)

I just purchased my first iMac 27" one this weekend. All the sites worked fine for me with flash on it. Then 2 days later I get a call from my wife while I was out, her mac was locked up and she can't do anything. I get home, and sure enough nothing is responsive in the safari window. I go into the process manager and see the flash player process spinning wildly, kill it and safari becomes responsive again.

I don't agree with Steve just dropping support all together, I think the safari team could do a better job of monitoring plugins for proper behaviour, but flash is very unstable in my opinion so I don't blame him fully. My windows flash player crashes for about a week now too, in all the browsers on WinXP box (safair, firefox, chrome). Thats why I'm on this site trying to figure out if anybody solved this issue. I have reinstalled it, as this is how I fixed it the last time it broke. This time though, I can't bring it back to life. Thank goodness for chrome and its resiliency because I just get notification flash crashed and can access all the pages without it, as chrome continues to work without flash. All the other browsers crash along with the player.

Safari has many other issues, like my wife can't access her companies lotus notes from her mac. I had to install firefox to get that working. So apple is no saint here either.