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July 18, 2009
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Flash for 64 bit Vista

  • July 18, 2009
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Like many Adobe customers I have been waiting for Flash for 64 bit Vista since Microsoft shipped it January 2007. Here we are in July 2009; where is FLASH for 64 bit Vista? Is Adobe losing its technical capability? Has Adobe changed strategy and FLASH no longer a cross-platform environment. Is Adobe management losing competence that they can't manage to keep their commitment as stated here? Or are Adobe just taking their customers for a ride, stating a direction and then not prioritising the delivery as has been claimed in some forums?

No Vista 64 bit and no iPhone FLASH either. With Windows 7 imminent one can't help but wonder if it will be supported.

Whatever the case Adobe can no longer claim FLASH as cross-platform and clearly, after two years of not delivering to their promise, customers can no longer believe Adobe's promises. Adobe's Shareholder must be concerned. As a customer who has made considerable personal and financial commitment to Adobe products I know I am now looking at alternate solutions.

All that said, maybe there is something in the LABS that I am unaware of? So please, Adobe, can you tell me, are you committed to a FLASH for 64 bit Vista and if so, when is it expected to be released?

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    Participant
    December 24, 2009

    The company I work for has contacted Adobe in February 2008 about this issue, since quite a few of our customers had switched to a 64 Vista version of Vista back then. Adobe ensured us at the time that they were working on the 64 bit version of the player so we could still provide our customers with the proper solutions and support.


    Almost 2 years down the road, Adobe still hasn't delivered. It's amazing how much effort Adobe puts into building and selling software, but when it gets to support they fall short. Windows 7 has been released and 64 bit has now, more than ever before, been accepted by the global community. This is confirmed (for us anyway) when we take a look at the visit reports of our websites. What is also interesting is that 0.52% of our visitors have Linux, most of them not running 64 bit. The fraction of the 0.52% that do use a 64 bit OS/browser at least have the option though to now use a 64 bit Flash player.


    I must have a totally different perspective of marketing strategy than the people pulling strings over at Adobe. I fail to see how the absolute minority of end users of a product should be the first and only group to be able to use a product. Even though I myself also use Linux along my Windows machines, I still think Adobe's approach is completely twisted. We have been developing in Flash for years now. The worst change since its launch has been the power-shift from Macromedia to Adobe, back in 2005. First thing to go it seems, was support.

    We've gone through a series of discussions at the office over the past 6-7 weeks, about what course to plot for future web and software development. It may take a while, and it will be an investment, but we're going to stop using Adobe products. Most of what we want almost everything can be achieved by using techniques such as Ajax these days, it just requires some (big, but in the end financially attractive) adjustments within the company. Yes, it may seem a bit strange that the lack of a 64 bit player might lead to a decision like that, but think about it; What good is a Flash application if a (vastly growing) part of our visitors/customers can't see it.And apart from that, we simply don't like to be taken for a ride by Adobe. If they had been honest years ago by telling us "Yeah,.. we're sort of working on it,.. but hey,.. we'll see if we can come up with something in,.. say... 5 years or so." then at least we wouldn't have had to waste a lot of money and time. Now we've just been lied to, mislead. And that is a complete deal breaker for us. If we can't rely on support from Adobe, we can't offer our customers the support and service they deserve.

    Early 2010 we will be switching all our desktops to Windows7, 64-bit. If our developers can't see the result of what they're doing in a default 64-bit browser it's useless to continue with Adobe Flash anyway.I'm sure Adobe would love to respond with "Just use a 32-bit browser",.. but I think Adobe might want to get their heads out of the sand and get their act together; The world is evolving. It's unlikely that just because Adobe won't adapt, the world will stop evolving and stick with 32 bit just because one player in the game refuses (yes, refuses! I don't believe for a second that in all these years Adobe hasn't been able to create a fully working 64 bit Flash player!!!) to evolve along with the world. We're moving on, and away from Flash.

    Participating Frequently
    December 26, 2009

    can u tell me what Ajax is? Is that another flash player or something to replace this program.

    Participant
    December 26, 2009

    Ajax has nothing to do with Flash or a plugin. It's a combination of web development techniques which you can use to achieve technical results as well as visual effects. It's (in a nutshell) JavaScript and XML used within and among other scripting/markup languages, such as (but not limited to) ASP, PHP, and HTML. Ajax can be used asynchronously, meaning that in order to execute something on a web page, the actual page doesn't have to reload. In other words; Interactivity without page reloads.


    The whole idea of a scripting approach, rather than a visual one, might scare off a few people. But when you think about it,.. if you want to achieve more than something simple within Flash, scripting is required too. If you have spent a lot of time learning how to script in Flash, then you can surely master other scripting/markup languages as well. Stay within the rules of internet scripting and development and you can achieve a lot. You won't have to worry about a plugin that may not work on other browsers, or not being released at all for browsers, since Ajax uses basics pretty much all "modern" browsers support. You can use Ajax techniques client and server side.


    If you step into the world of Ajax you should Google a bit, because there are many examples and so called "libraries" you can use. The libraries can provide you with a lot of functions and effects, with minimal input. If you want to do a lot with streaming video and/or audio then it might not offer what you want. In that case you might be better of with sticking to Flash and hoping for Adobe to finally offer some support (look at these forums and you'll notice how far Adobe steps away from support and feedback) and to do what they should have done years ago. We decided that we're not gonna spend years of waiting for a company like Adobe to get its act together. Ajax is free, expanding,... maybe more limited when it comes to video/audio, but I am confident that that will change.


    Good luck with your choices.