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September 15, 2016
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Local storage popup that cannot be allowed or denied

  • September 15, 2016
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My mom's computer which is an iMac running the latest version, started showing this popup last night when she goes onto shockwave.com to play games.  It says something about local storage and gives you the option of allow or deny.  (Sorry that I don't have a screen shot but I am on my computer after working with hers for hours).  The problem is that you cannot click or either allow or deny--it won't do anything.  I tried tabbing through the options and it would move but does nothing if you hit enter or space bar.  The only way to get out of it is to exit the website. 

I really don't know much about Adobe Flash so bear with me please.  She uses Firefox but the same thing happened in Safari when I went to shockwave.com.  It did not happen in Chrome as of right now.  The computer is almost brand new and I checked and the latest version of Flash has been installed.  Just to try it, I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled it and the same exact thing happened when I went to that site.  She says that she has only saw it on that website. 

I do have Firefox configured to always ask before running it.  I changed it to allow it to always run for that particular site but the popup was still there.  I have researched and researched and exhausted all options that I can think of.  It's not just a matter of the popup being annoying, it's the fact that it will not go away or allow you to click on anything on it.  My elderly mother has very limited abilities and understanding when it comes to technology and online security is a huge concern of mine. 

Does anyone have any ideas at all that could possibly help?  I appreciate all help and assistance.  Thank you.

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    Correct answer jeromiec83223024

    Yeah, it's a symptom of our anti-clickjacking logic being overly cautious.  This typically happens when something animated is moving behind the dialog, or sometimes, it's just resolution/zoom-level specific.

    Unfortunately, as a browser plug-in, it's really hard to tell whether or not we're the top-most thing on the screen, and we don't want to accept clicks on security dialogs unless we know that you're actually seeing them, and not something else (e.g. "Click Here To Win!!1!") superimposed over the top of it.

    Honestly, in 2016, restricting the ability of content from storing data locally doesn't really buy you anything meaningful in terms of privacy or security.  If you want to avoid persistent tracking tokens, your browser's private browsing mode is far, far more effective, and we honor it.  We also clear Flash Player's local shared objects when you clear your browser cookies (as long as your browser tells us that you've done that).  The aversion to Flash Player's Local Shared Objects is largely based in superstition at this point.  The ability for marketers to create resilient, persistent tracking is far more powerful in native HTML and JavaScript.  Feel free to look through my activity feed to find similar posts, where I've pointed to academic research on the subject, etc.

    So, here's my pragmatic recommendation:

    Go to Settings > Flash Player > Storage and choose Allow sites to save information on this computer


    Where you don't want sites to save persistent information, use private browsing mode.


    This accomplishes a couple things:

    - The content saves data locally, so everything appears to be working normally to the content.

    - Neither Flash Player or the Content will throw permission dialogs or errors

    - All data is stored in a temporary location, which is destroyed when you exit your private browsing session

    This gets you the best possible user experience, and the best defense against tracking both in Flash and HTML/JavaScript.  If you're in the business of uniquely identifying people, it's general practice at this point to use all available technologies for redundancy and resilience, including both local and server-side fingerprinting techniques, so just "solving" the Flash Player vector by disabling LSOs doesn't help in any meaningful way.

    Unfortunately, the clickjacking threat requires us to implement some sub-optimal solutions, and the decade or so of experience with very smart people working on it shows that it's a game of whack-a-mole.  It's better to just avoid scenarios where the dialog gets popped by adding domains to the trusted list, or simply by allowing access altogether.  The ideal solution would be to move those dialogs to the browser's native UI, but that requires buy-in from all of the browser vendors involved, etc.

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    jeromiec83223024
    jeromiec83223024Correct answer
    Inspiring
    September 19, 2016

    Yeah, it's a symptom of our anti-clickjacking logic being overly cautious.  This typically happens when something animated is moving behind the dialog, or sometimes, it's just resolution/zoom-level specific.

    Unfortunately, as a browser plug-in, it's really hard to tell whether or not we're the top-most thing on the screen, and we don't want to accept clicks on security dialogs unless we know that you're actually seeing them, and not something else (e.g. "Click Here To Win!!1!") superimposed over the top of it.

    Honestly, in 2016, restricting the ability of content from storing data locally doesn't really buy you anything meaningful in terms of privacy or security.  If you want to avoid persistent tracking tokens, your browser's private browsing mode is far, far more effective, and we honor it.  We also clear Flash Player's local shared objects when you clear your browser cookies (as long as your browser tells us that you've done that).  The aversion to Flash Player's Local Shared Objects is largely based in superstition at this point.  The ability for marketers to create resilient, persistent tracking is far more powerful in native HTML and JavaScript.  Feel free to look through my activity feed to find similar posts, where I've pointed to academic research on the subject, etc.

    So, here's my pragmatic recommendation:

    Go to Settings > Flash Player > Storage and choose Allow sites to save information on this computer


    Where you don't want sites to save persistent information, use private browsing mode.


    This accomplishes a couple things:

    - The content saves data locally, so everything appears to be working normally to the content.

    - Neither Flash Player or the Content will throw permission dialogs or errors

    - All data is stored in a temporary location, which is destroyed when you exit your private browsing session

    This gets you the best possible user experience, and the best defense against tracking both in Flash and HTML/JavaScript.  If you're in the business of uniquely identifying people, it's general practice at this point to use all available technologies for redundancy and resilience, including both local and server-side fingerprinting techniques, so just "solving" the Flash Player vector by disabling LSOs doesn't help in any meaningful way.

    Unfortunately, the clickjacking threat requires us to implement some sub-optimal solutions, and the decade or so of experience with very smart people working on it shows that it's a game of whack-a-mole.  It's better to just avoid scenarios where the dialog gets popped by adding domains to the trusted list, or simply by allowing access altogether.  The ideal solution would be to move those dialogs to the browser's native UI, but that requires buy-in from all of the browser vendors involved, etc.

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