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March 6, 2013
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Possible legal case issue with google chrome pepper flash player.

  • March 6, 2013
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Ok so i have been on the phone to adobe for about an hour and this is the result.

As far as adobe are concerned their flash player works fine which it does.

However the google chrome Pepper flash player is obviously broken.

Now adobe say this has nothing to do with them their flash player is fine and googles version of adobe flash player has nothing to do with ADOBE either.

So why when you go into chrome plugin settings it says ADOBE flash player.

It doesn't say Google Flash player.

It says ADOBE Flash player.

So it seem to me that either google have stolen the Adobe flash player then made their own and broke it. OR Adobe let them make their own version and is fully aware of the issue but doesn't care?

How can Adobe ignore this issue for so long is disgraceful.

Adobe should be in contact with google saying what have you done to OUR Flash player.

Please the CEO of adobe should sort this out OR at least provide evidence that google hasn't stole Adobe flash player and broke it.

This situation is completely unacceptable and i belive a legal case should be opened if Adobe has NOT given permission for google to use and implement a version of ADOBE's Flash player.

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chris.campbell
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March 7, 2013

You were misinformed if they said we weren't involved with the PPAPI version of the player.  That simply isn't the case.  I apologize for the confusion. 

What kind of problems are you having?  I use Chrome as my main browser and I typically use the PPAPI player version on both Mac and Win.  Everything works great on my system.

Please see this FAQ for details on what we'll need to investigate:

How do I report a bug against Flash Player for Google Chrome?

Thanks,

Chris

March 7, 2013

your not going to like this, but i would of said the exact same thing myself, im a flash developer, i use chrome as my main browser with pepper running for general use. and from day to day im looking at javascript websites with simple little flash video players and adverts with spinning bitmaps, with no issues apart from the usual crashes when running flash videos, followed by that "oh snap" error message, which im sure the 18 year olds developing chrome find very ammusing. And of course when im developing flash applications im using the debugger version of the flash player in all my browsers like you should do, then i come to test my app on a pepper enabled instance of chrome one day and oh look at that nothing works. maybe if your running some basic timeline animation of a spinning dollar sign or a youtube video with some kids jumping off a roof it works, but a hell of alot is broken, loaders, loading fonts, uploading files, reloading cached files, and a plethora of things iv read in forums that i cant even get to try because i cant get anything to load consistently or find a debugger version of the pepper player to do a getStackTrace. i tried emptying all the caches and data from hosted apps, i tried deleting preference folders, tried recreating flash projects in flash builder from scratch, tried different versions of windows, tried testing it in the chrome beta, but that's even worse because instead of posting an error message it just hangs on a black screen in my app. none of this happens in any other version of the flash player i have tested so far, im tracking all errors that users of my app run into by logging them to a database and all of them are specific to pepper, and reproducable. In chromes bug reporting section there's a long list of these kinds of issues, its been like this for months, peoples businesses are being ruined by this stupid tiny little .dll file and the only solution anyone has found, other than the odd hack that fixes some bugs like setting video resolution to 479 instead of 480 to make a video stream play because google didnt bother to test anything other then the most basic default functions... Is to just throw a warning message to people with pepper player to go into their chrome plugins page, press a tiny little button in the corner to show some complicated dll file information, press another tiny disable button under the not very well marked pepflashplayer.dll, and then select always allow at the bottom so you don't have to deal with chrome blocking any working flash player other than pepper from running because its out of date. which in the end probably takes longer than installing the real flash player in the first place, there is literally no need for this damn dll file to even exist and for some mind blowing reason it has the exact same version number as every other flash player i have tried, which all work flawlessly. and also then obviously most people ignore the warning messages, continue to use your app wonder why its crashing, get frustrated and leave... So my only alternative so far is to totally block anyone using pepper player from even being able to load my app and tell them to do all of the above or use Internet explorer which seems to actually have a working built in flash player. so that instantly cuts out, as ofFebruary 2013, 50.0 % of Internet users unless they boot up internet explorer then manually navigate back to my webpage. which can make a huge dent to the amount of people who actually bother to even try your app.

Now you may be saying to yourself "well he sounds a bit miffed about this pepper player that for me seems to work fine". maybe there's some kind of hack way to get swfs running in pepper that only some of you in the know, know about, google doesn't have any answers, when i rang adobe they were utterly clueless, when i rang google there wasn't even a human being to talk to from that faceless corporate monstrosity. and iv got 4 years worth of development time riding on this damn flash app which, unless adobe pull the plug on pepper, or google learn how to bundle other peoples software. is totally useless just as im trying to deploy it, and im going to have to copy and paste the whole lot into some .js files and try to reverse engineer it all into javascript which means gutting all the stuff that you can only do in flash, which is about half of it. now obviously you start asking questions like, how could it be possible that a version of flash this flea-ridden was ever allowed to be let out into the jungle when sooooo much is at risk for certain types of businesses that rely on this technology. you could literally put people out of a job by doing this, the man on the phone from adobe says well its not our problem its googles version and they are in charge of it, well if that's the case you better pull the licensing quick fast because it makes adobe look bad and the the flash brand look even worse. normal chrome users who arn't even trying to peddle their wares made in flash are even complaining that its "poisoning" their beloved chromium, and the most they have to suffer with is a buggy experience in a flash game but those of us with serious time and work invested into flash and businesses based on it are utterly fuming.

Now, either you think this is all nonsense, you see no evidence, i must be doing something wrong, and all these cases im reading are just my imagination. Or you are fully aware of this situation and you are just saying the thing devs including myself always have to say to our users when we don't have a good answer or time to worry about it "Everything works great on my system, just submit a bug report". or you are so disconnected that you simply don't know about it yet and this is just a total waste of my time and anybody worth talking to his hidden deep in the bowels of adobe barred from communicating with the outside world.

What i want to hear is that indeed you are fully aware of and informed about these issues, and within 1 month the pepper player will be removed from chrome and users will be allowed to use the official flash player from adobe which will remain stable and fully functional.

April 17, 2013

I can tell you how its broken.  I use Chrome on Linux.  The video playback is peppered with small specs..  When I disable the PPAPI and use the adobe version, the play back is fine.  Well, that was until 11.2 was no longer current.  Now, many sites will not play the video content because my version is not up to date unless I use PPAPI.  Which has the annoying specs peppered across the video. 

And, I've come across some sites that block the pepper flash all together so I can't watch their content at all.