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April 29, 2008
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Adding Diacritical Marks to Adobe Fonts

  • April 29, 2008
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Hello,
We are a non-profitable organization propagating Sanskrit. We would like to add some diacritical marks as a pronunciation guide. Do we need to take permission to add these diacritical marks in your fonts? If so, whom do we contact?
Warm regards.
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    Inspiring
    May 10, 2008
    Agreed!
    Participating Frequently
    May 9, 2008
    I would like to second Aandi and add to his concerns:

    in many situations the only information used to identify/reference a font is its (internal) name. If a font is modified it is absolutely mandatory to also change its internal name. Otherwise somebody is going to shoot somebody (often themselves...) in the foot at some point of time.

    Friends don't let friends modify a font without modifying its name at the same time!

    Olaf Drümmer
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2008
    Basically, the modified Adobe font has the same restrictions as the original.

    Regards,

    T
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2008
    Basically, the modified font has the same restrictions as the original.

    Regards,

    T
    David W. Goodrich
    Participating Frequently
    May 8, 2008
    Can I drag this back to the original question? Thomas mentioned that Adobe's EULA allows modifying fonts for internal use, and many of us are very grateful for how Adobe stands out in this regard. (In the 5-seat EULA, the relevant paragraph seems to be no. 14.7.4.) However, the OP speaks of preparing material for "propagating" Sanskrit, which doesn't sound like "internal use." On the other hand, the very next paragraph (14.7.5) speaks of embedding, which is allowed for printing and viewing, and would seem to provide an avenue for propagating documents with custom Sanskrit diacritics.

    In other words, is it permissible to embed a modified Adobe font in a PDF that is used to print a document that is then distributed on paper? Is it permissible to make such a PDF available for downloading? Of course, much of the value of a PDF is that the information it contains can be indexed and searched electronically, and under those circumstances it is far better to render macron-a with the appropriate Unicode encoding, rather than by kerning the macron character over a bare "a."

    I rather expect Adobe would prefer not to be more specific, and risk opening up a can of worms here--as Thomas says, a contract is a contract. But I also expect Adobe would not go after those who strive to uphold the spirit of the contract (as well as the design qualities of the original typeface). I hope I'm not way off base.

    Thanks,
    David
    Participating Frequently
    May 9, 2008
    It is unwise to modify a font without modifying something else about
    it (not sure whether it's necessary to change the name; maybe UniqueID
    or equivalent is enough)... Otherwise, someone who owns the unmodified
    font could find that THEIR copy is used for viewing the PDF.

    Aandi Inston
    Known Participant
    May 1, 2008
    But if Thomas were an attorney, he'd have the nicest stationery. <g><br /><br />Neil
    Participating Frequently
    April 30, 2008
    >This may also reflect the perspective of somebody who spends too much time talking to lawyers.

    It does tend to rub off, doesn't it?
    Inspiring
    April 30, 2008
    It's not that I think I don't understand the license terms. It's that the license is a legal contract, and folks should be clear that the contract, which they agree to, takes precedence over what people tell them outside of that contract. Maybe I should have put it that way.

    This may also reflect the perspective of somebody who spends too much time talking to lawyers. :)

    Cheers,

    T

    Thomas Phinney
    Product Manager
    Fonts & Global Typography
    Adobe Systems
    Participating Frequently
    April 30, 2008
    But even non-lawyers know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Participating Frequently
    April 29, 2008
    >I am not a lawyer. That being said, my understanding is ...

    I'm shocked! Thomas, if you, as former head of Western fonts (please forgive me if I've misremembered your former title), are not clear on the terms of the Adobe font licence, what hope do the rest of us have? Maybe all software users will have to attend law school in the future!
    Participating Frequently
    April 29, 2008
    Dominick wrote:

    Maybe all software users will have to attend law school in the future!

    ...

    Ahh.. but that would negate our defense on the grounds of plausible
    deniability ...