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MichaelKazlow
MichaelKazlow
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September 22, 2008
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Ligatures in the academic world

  • September 22, 2008
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A text book that I am using is available in both print and electronic
editions. The electronic editions are made available through a website
called CourseSmart.com. The texts are provided to students at
approximately 50% of list price. The book must be viewed through a web
browser. The publisher's are hoping to cut out or reduce the used book
market. They probably get more per book than they do selling through the
traditional market and give the student value of a book that would cost
less than their purchase and trade-in value of the book.

You might ask what this has to do with typography. I'm reading through
the electronic edition for a course I teach. I'm noticing that several
of the words are missing letters. I curse and complain about the poor
copy editing for the electronic edition. After going through the book
more extensively, I find out that there is a pattern to the missing
letters! The ligatures are missing!!! There are other typographical
issues with spacing around n-dashes, etc.

The publishers could of course all be using pdfs with DRM, and some are.
But CourseSmart is providing services to many of the big name academic
publishers. For this to succeed, the publisher will either have to give
up having the print editions look good. At the moment they do not seem
intelligent enough to know that their published content looks like heck.

...Mike
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    Neil_Keller
    Known Participant
    September 23, 2008
    Mike,
    >but they don't you any real support options.

    That wouldn't fly well, in my book, as their product doesn't work properly in a typical real-world situation.

    Neil
    MichaelKazlow
    MichaelKazlowAuthor
    Legend
    September 23, 2008
    Not for me either. When students ask, I tell them it is not ready for
    prime time, but for some they seem to like the price.

    Mike
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    Neil_Keller
    Known Participant
    September 23, 2008
    Mike,

    If I understand this correctly, I take it that .pdf format is not used as it would create large files, so the files depend upon fonts that the user has installed on his computer, like these Forum pages. That could be the problem -- default or other installed fonts may not include the ligatures and other pi, or the coding by the publisher is incorrectly linking to specific glyphs.

    Neil
    MichaelKazlow
    MichaelKazlowAuthor
    Legend
    September 23, 2008
    They are not using pdfs. If there are font problems its on their end.
    When they give you the option to print pages, they produce a graphic (no
    fonts at all), that you can then print. I assume it is a graphic, since
    only the entire page is selectable.

    Now that I've got some info on the parameters of the problem, I'll be
    trying to contact their tech support again, but they don't you any real
    support options. For the most part you can only complain to the sales
    department.

    Mike
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    Neil_Keller
    Known Participant
    September 23, 2008
    Mike,

    If I understand this correctly, I take it that .pdf format is not used as it would create large files, so the files depend upon fonts that the user has installed on his computer, like these Forum pages. That could be the problem -- default or other installed fonts may not include the ligatures, or the coding by the publisher is incorrect.

    Neil
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    D__McCahill
    Known Participant
    September 23, 2008
    I'm wondering if they are using a unicode PDF system, and a font that is pre-unicode, leaving all those special characters blank. It could be as simple as paying another $35 for an updated font.
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    _Dominic_Hurley_
    Participating Frequently
    September 22, 2008
    Mike, are you just commenting on the poor state of typesetting these days (and/or the lack of knowledge on how to prepare PDFs) or are you actually seeking some specific information?
    MichaelKazlow
    MichaelKazlowAuthor
    Legend
    September 22, 2008
    Nope, just a comment on what I'm seeing. It is in a textbook being
    offered for sale by a major publisher through Coursesmart.com. It isn't
    a matter of encoding. The text is missing---all ligatures, all curly
    quotes or double qoutes. I'm used to seeing different characters due to
    encoding issues. The characters are just missing---on a Mac with Safari,
    Camino, Firefox and on Windows XP with MSIE 6 and 7. However, the
    placement of n and m-dashes are better in MSIE. On the mac side, the
    dashes literally pass through the characters on the left and right of
    the dash.

    Its not our typography that is the issue, but the conversion tools being
    used. PDF would be fine if they used them. Eventually, they'll either

    a) have better tools (unlikely)
    b) switch to pdf (I hope)
    c) start telling the people who prepare their books for print, not to
    use ligatures, etc since it screws up their online offerings (all too
    likely).

    Who knows, maybe they'll insist on having all their books created in
    ASCII using Courier. I look forward to the return of ASCII line-art---not.

    Mike
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    D__McCahill
    Known Participant
    September 22, 2008
    Are there other errors as well? Mac and Windows have different ASCII sets for the extended character set, and accents and smart quotes are the other common mess ups I see.

    Don
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