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Managing fonts and fontbook.app

  • May 7, 2009
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I am new to this whole area of fonts and need some advice please.  I have trawled the internet looking for help - none, I have searched the help of fontbook that comes with apple tiger - absolutley useless in every degree.  So here are my questions/problems:

Recently my wife lost 110 fonts over a few months from illustrator, they just started to dissappear mysteriously.  I did an archive and install, several cleans of the machine, all permissions were always good, they did not return.  I uninstalled all adobe creative suite 3 and re-installed via safeboot and suddenly fonts started to come back, from 19 to 40.  I re-booted normally and opened fontbook, fonts went up to 120.  But there are 6 to 8 fonts missing still.  We have NEVER downloaded fonts, never imported them, never imported other documents. I was told by an adobe professional that illustrator doers not install fonts, well this is absolute rubbish after my experiences. Anyone any ideas?

My second question is this:  What on earth is the difference between having a folder named 'collection' and a folder named 'library' in the fontbook.app?  There is no explanation for this in help or online.

Thirdly, please: If my wife wants to have say only 30 or forty fonts loaded up with illustator at a given time how on earth does this work.  I am only asking this because someone sometime ago said to me that sometimes problems exist if you have too many fonts loaded in one go into cs3.  In all my years as a photoshop user though I have never ever heard of this.  So if anyone can help me on an issue that I have never had to deal with before I would be extremely grateful, thankyou.

  Kind regards, Chris.

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    MiguelSousa
    Community Manager
    Community Manager
    May 8, 2009

    cvbotr wrote:

    Thirdly, please: If my wife wants to have say only 30 or forty fonts loaded up with illustator at a given time how on earth does this work.

    The fonts that Illustrator makes available in its font menu are the fonts installed system-wide (/Library/Fonts) + the fonts installed just for your user (/Users/your_username/Library/Fonts) + the fonts installed for Illustrator only (/Applications/Adobe Illustrator CSX/Fonts) + the fonts that may be available only to Adobe applications (e.g. /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts).

    If you want only 30 fonts available in Illustrator's font menu you'll have to remove the unwanted fonts from all the locations mentioned above. Beware that if you do so, the other apps you have installed (Adobe or not) will only have 30 fonts available as well. (They will likely have more because there are a few fonts that OS X doesn't let you remove, e.g. Helvetica).

    With FontBook you won't be able to manage fonts installed in Adobe-owned directories, so you may have to manually move some files around, or use a more robust font manager.

    Miguel Sousa

    Type Development Team

    Adobe Systems

    cvbotrAuthor
    Participant
    May 8, 2009

    thankyou for that, that clears something up. I was under the

    impression that this was possible, hence my confusion. So now I know

    at least what I need to do. Thankyou.

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2009

    cvbotr wrote:

    If my wife wants to have say only 30 or forty fonts loaded up with illustator at a given time how on earth does this work.  I am only asking this because someone sometime ago said to me that sometimes problems exist if you have too many fonts loaded in one go into cs3.  In all my years as a photoshop user though I have never ever heard of this.

    Having too many fonts active can hurt the performance of any application.

    There are fools unwise users who have literally hundreds or even thousands of fonts active simultaneously. With FAP, you can have only the fonts you need for a given job.  You'll be able to read all about it on the FAP site.

    In my case, I have in the neighborhood of five thousand fonts on my computer, give or take a couple of hundred.   But I have only a few dozen font families active through FAP, and that's only because I need typeface support for eight languages.   FAP activates fonts automatically for me if I open any document of any kind that needs fonts that are not already active, and I can open fonts on the fly if I need to create a new document with an exotic , specialized, esoteric or unusual typeface that's inactive, though a re-launch of the application may be needed, but not a restart of the machine.

    If I had all my fonts active, my applications would crawl like slugs and I'd be having crashes many times per hour.

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2009

    Your other questions can be addressed more adequately in the Adobe Illustrator forum across the hall and, for Font Book, on the Apple discussion boards.

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2009

    Chris,

    Apple's Font Book (notice the space) is not a robust font manager at all—as you have discovered.

    (FontBook.app, without a space, is a German application by Lemke Software and is NOT a font manager at all.)

    In the Mac World, the preferred font manager is FAP (FontAgent Pro).  It lets you activate only the fonts you want, activates fonts on the fly, creates sets, etc.

    FAP also happens to be the best at ferreting out bad, duplicate and otherwise problem fonts.

    They have a fully functional 30-day trial version for you to test.

    http://www.insidersoftware.com/

    FAP Font Agent PRO screen shot.jpg

    cvbotrAuthor
    Participant
    May 8, 2009

    I appreciate your tip but this sounds more like an advertisement

    rather than answering my questions.

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 8, 2009

    You shameless, ungrateful bloke!  

    I have no connection whatsoever to FontAgent Pro or its developers other than that of a satisfied customer.  None!

    I stand to gain nothing and I couldn't even care less about what you do or how you solve your problems.

    You asked three questions, NONE of which falls into the category of Adobe Type, and I went out of my way to be polite.  No one has any obligation to answer any d@mned question in these user-to-user forums, most especially when they are in the wrong forum.

    Font management on the Mac is an Apple issue, just like font management on Windows is a Microsoft issue.  It has nothing to do with Adobe Type.

    Font Book questions belong on the Apple discussion boards.

    Illustrator questions belong in the Illustrator forum.

    Photoshop questions belong in the Photoshop Macintosh forum.

    If you visit any of those forums, most users will recommend FAP over any other font manager.   We're all users just like you, trying to help each other out.

    Don't expect any help from me in the future if I recognize your user name. 

    Sheeze…

    Read this post by a forum host for advice on how to ask your questions with a modicum of correctitude:

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/375816?tstart=0