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John Hawkinson
John Hawkinson
Inspiring
April 13, 2010
Question

Next Font Folio?

  • April 13, 2010
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Does anyone know when the sucessor to Font Folio 11 might appear? It does not seem to be part of CS5.

I recently discovered that Font Folio doens't come with Utopia Expert, which surprised me...

Is there some other way to bulk purchase fonts from Adobe? Phone support wasn't terribly helpful, other than buying individual fonts piecemeal or buying Font Folio, which doesn't help since it doesn't include these...

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    JustBob
    Inspiring
    April 13, 2010

    Are you using Adobe InDesign or Illustrator? If so, you don't have to enter unicode numbers. Just open the Glyphs panel and choose your characters there.

    (One thing I wish the Glyphs panel had was the keyboard shortcuts needed to get that character without having to open the panel. You know, select a character and have the keyboard shortcut listed somewhere in the panel.)

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    Anonymous
    April 13, 2010

    I don't know if this will solve your problem, but if you go to www.adobe.com/type, and then go to the page for Utopia Std, the bottom link on the right side of the page is for Utopia Expert in pdf format. If you click on the link, you can buy individual expert fonts for $26 or the whole set of 17 expert fonts for $96. I'm not an expert, but perhaps you could you those to access the glyphs that are not Unicode encoded in the OpenType Utopia Std. (This seems to be akin to a problem I ran into into trying to access small caps in the Arno Pro typeface.)

    John Hawkinson
    John HawkinsonAuthor
    Inspiring
    April 13, 2010

    Right...that was my initial inclination, though I had wanted to see if there was an easy way to get all such fonts in one batch purchase instead of just Utopia Expert. But Dov's post gives me pause -- it sounds like there are no glyphs in that Utopia Expert bundle that do not exist in the Utopia Std (OpenType) that is part of Font Folio 11.

    I don't suppose CS5 has support for native support for compositional unicode accents (and the required superimposition thereof)?

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    Anonymous
    April 13, 2010

    I think you will either have to use the work around that you mentioned in

    your inquiry or use a font that has a larger glyph complement than Utopia

    since it appears that the Turkish glyphs you want do not exist in any

    version of Utopia.

    Dov Isaacs
    Dov Isaacs
    Legend
    April 13, 2010

    Unfortunately, since there isn't any announcement from Adobe of any new version of Font Folio, anything that anyone would tell you here would be sheer speculation and not very useful.

    With OpenType fonts unlike the older Type 1 packaging of these fonts, there aren't any expert fonts anymore. All the glyphs for a particular font are in a single font file and are accessed via Unicode encodings.

    Although Utopia had a more extensive complement of glyphs in its old Type 1 packaging, the same font family and its font complement did not have enough features to be classified as an "OpenType Pro" font by Adobe, but rather an "OpenType Standard" font family. However, all the extra glyphs that were available within the expert fonts in the Type 1 packaging have been included in the OpenType versions. Nothing was lost! See http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-US&event=displayFontPackage&code=1414 for further information about Utopia OpenType Standard.

    I obviously don't know who you spoke to at phone support, but you should be aware that your choice of licensing (you can't buy anything other than licenses for fonts) is more than everything or only single typefaces. There are significant discounts for licensing a whole family or subsets of certain large font families. There are also volume purchase plans, but you need to pursue such volume purchase plans other than via standard Adobe Customer Support or whoever you did speak to. Look on Adobe's web site for our volume purchase plans and perhaps follow that route.

              - Dov

    - Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)
    John Hawkinson
    John HawkinsonAuthor
    Inspiring
    April 13, 2010

    Thanks for the snappy response.

    Clearly I'm a bit confused.

    The big issue is that Utopia seems to be lacking unicode some unicode glyphs, like, say, Turkish's İ (looks like a capital I with a dot; I think U+0130?). This came up recently (kind of stunning that...). Someone over here concluded it was because we didn't have Utopia Expert...you say not?Another example (just came up last night!) was the lack of the letter n with the accent-acute...can be formed with the compositional versions in InDesign with Peter Kahrel's script, but really inconvenient.

    You're saying there's not an easy way to solve this by throwing money at the problem?

    Yeah, we do have the whole CLP/etc. thing going...of course, navigating that purchase process seems to be an exercise in painful bureacracy... educational doesn't help with this, I'm afraid...still trying to straighten out the mess from my last purchase being tracked wrong on licensing.adobe.com.

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