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Jul 10, 2008 11:40 AM UTC
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"Universal" font

Hello everybody !!!!

I'm looking for a font that can handles every type of characters, from the latin alphabet till the cyrillic alphabet via the asiatic alphabets (japanese, chinese, ..). I though that Lucida Grande would do it, but apparently not (when I embed this font on my appli, it doens't display correctly the characters..). With a japanese character I though that I would have manage to find it, but unfortunately the russian is craply displayed (with a huge letter-spacing)
So do you know if this magic font exist or how to find it ?

In other case, do you know how to find the character palette on the mac that would list me all the font available on my mac and which alphabet these fonts handle ?

Or maybe a website with fonts and their cover ?

Thanks a lot for any help !!!
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    Inspiring
    Jul 16, 2008 8:40 AM UTC
    Gaelle,

    do you have bold or italic text in your documents?

    Make a print of Polish or Cyrillic text with and without bold and/or italic formatting and compare them with standard Arial with bold/italic.

    You will see the quality difference.

    Also: If you still want to go that way, be warned that different printers handle electronic bold-ing and oblique-ing differently. Up to the point of ignoring it.

    In my opinion: A bad decision with many drawbacks.

    - Michael
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    Participating Frequently
    Jul 16, 2008 6:41 AM UTC
    Hello everybody !
    Well, in fact, I managed to do what I wanted using Arial Unicode MS. And it can display correctly all the languages supported by the application (latin, japanese, chinese, korean, polish, cyrillic alphabets) so I believe it was the "universal font" I was looking for. Awesome ! Thanks a lot for your help !!!!
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    Inspiring
    Jul 16, 2008 5:12 AM UTC
    I believe Michael is correct. Whichever forms they picked, they did pick one set. So like any other font currently available, Arial Unicode isn't good for more than one of [Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Japanese, Korean].

    Cheers,

    T
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    Inspiring
    Jul 14, 2008 8:20 AM UTC
    AFAIK Arial Unicode MS uses Chinese glyph styles. It also reports itself as being a Chinese font to certain applications on Windows (not sure where I saw that).

    - Michael
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    Inspiring
    Jul 11, 2008 5:23 PM UTC
    You'll need multiple fonts for East Asian languages. Specifically, separate fonts for each of simplified and traditional Chinese, Japanese, and Korean.

    As I wrote just the other day on Typophile, the particularly thorny problem is dealing with the Han unification characters. Basically, for certain East Asian characters, There are slightly (or sometimes very) different designs for certain characters for all these different languages. Currently, the only functional way to distinguish them is to build an OpenType font with the locl (locale) feature, and use apps/OSes that process that feature correctly for those languages.

    Im not sure how widespread such app/OS support is for the locl feature with those languages, outside of InDesign CS3, but I know that such fonts are pretty much non-existent in the wild. AFAIK, thus far such fonts have only been built by mad scientists in labs (pace Adobe's own Dr Lunde & Mr Meyer).

    Because of the potential for great efficiency (space savings), I imagine we will see such fonts in the wild in the future.

    Cheers,

    T
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    Participating Frequently
    Jul 14, 2008 7:00 AM UTC
    > the particularly thorny problem is dealing with the Han unification characters.

    I read about that in CJKV Information Processing. It has long seemed
    to me that this has killed the idea of a universal Unicode font.
    However... do you happen to know what Arial Unicode did with these
    code points? Did it pick one regional variant and hope it would do?


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    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    Jul 11, 2008 4:15 PM UTC
    You mean Asian, not " Asiatic ".

    http://www.tfd.com/asiatic
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    Participating Frequently
    Jul 11, 2008 9:26 AM UTC
    Thanks for the answer.. Indeed, that's what I will do I think it's the best solution, use one for all the font except asiatic, then manage the asiatic alphabets with another font !
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    Inspiring
    Jul 11, 2008 8:57 AM UTC
    Many folks wanted to have a single font for all purposes and "Arial Unicode MS" is the one many people use. But it is basically a bad idea, not only because this font has no bold or italic variants, it also has no kerning pairs. The result are ugly documents with bolded and obliqued characters.

    Unicode is a standard that assigns a number to each character, but does not take into account differing typographic traditions. Please read the answer to question 3 "Does the unified Han encoding..." at this page:

    http://unicode.org/faq/han_cjk.html

    I would say you better look for a font that contains all Latin/Cyrillic/Greek glyphs, and a specialized font for Chinese, Japanese and Korean. This approach will give you far greater quality.
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    Participating Frequently
    Jul 11, 2008 7:33 AM UTC
    Hey !!! Yep Ifound this part, but in fact, that was not what I was expected.. When I said "character palette" I was thinking something where you can see which alphabets each fonts is managing. But I still haven't found it.. :(
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    Participating Frequently
    Jul 10, 2008 3:22 PM UTC
    Your can access the character palette from the input menu in system prefs.

    Search on: "Finding characters for different languages on your keyboard" in the Mac help system.
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