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Complaints about Cloud-by-Default and Naming of Lightroom CC

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Oct 18, 2017 Oct 18, 2017

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Adobe should have named the new consumer-oriented program "Lightroom Express CC" and the professional program "Lightroom Professional CC" instead of Classic.

By choosing to name the new cloud-by-default Lightroom as "Lightroom CC", Adobe is implying that this is the primary app and the way forward, and that "Lightroom Classic CC" is for the "get off my lawn" clueless old timers who cling to the past and refuse to acknowledge the future (the fantasy future anyway). There's probably strong cross-over between cloud-centric evangelists and those that believe wireless Internet connections to be superior to wired ones. Wireless connections and tablet devices are cute for consuming content, but professionals prefer real computers and the reliability and bandwidth of wired connections. In the same vein, we need programs that understand our workflow and use the full power of our device and its interfaces (lots of keyboard shortcuts, please) to enable us to efficiently process photos.

Different tools are most appropriate for different jobs. I wouldn't expect a carpenter to build a house using only a manual screwdriver, nor would I expect a cruise ship to connect to the Internet with a hardline connection. Tablets are nice for viewing content and playing videos; not making content. I doubt Adobe's developers do their programming on a tablet. Cell phones are nice for communication and impromptu photography; DSLRs/MILC cameras are best for intentional photography. Cloud storage can be useful to share files with people outside of your network; it is not a viable backup solution, nor should any competent business rely on it for primary storage.

Adobe's core competency is supposed to be creating professional software for professional users, see: Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere Pro, and until now Photoshop Lightroom. Apparently, some idiot on Adobe's executive team hasn't realized that "Cloud everything" is on its way out, and further failed to understand that

cloud storage doesn't make sense for uploading lots of large files, and furthermore, that consumers generally don't want to pay for software, that, from their perspective, is no better than the free Instagram app.

Adobe doesn't need to ruin a professional program to dumb it down to try to appeal to people who don't even want to use it (if they barely want to learn to use their smartphone, they won't want to learn your software no matter how stupid-simple you make the interface, and they definitely won't pay for it, unless it has a lot of gimmicky auto-magic features). The hobbyists and professionals, who actually pay the monthly fee, and who want to create consistent high-quality photos and videos, use Lightroom as a professional-grade program to manage their photo library and guide their workflow, and use dedicated cameras and computers with local storage and maybe some local network storage.

Using my workflow as an example, I transfer photos from my Canon 80D camera's SD card to my laptop, sometimes in the field, using Lightroom. When I get home, I then cull the photos to remove the worthless ones and then further select the photos that are deserving of further processing. Eventually, after I've processed the photos, export the ones worth sharing to JPG, and maybe print a few. I zip the export folder and upload it to a cloud (not Adobe) host for client download. I transfer the completed project to my network storage server with a drag-drop operation within Lightroom.

I don't need to transfer my photo library of photos to the Internet because there's no benefit in doing so. Nowhere in my workflow (which is probably similar for most professionals) was there a need for me to sync multiple gigabytes of files to the Internet. I don't need to sync across multiple devices, but if I do, I'll do it within my LAN. Why would anyone want to sync slowly sync all of their files to the Internet (possibly using a slow cell phone or public wifi connection) for no benefit? Are there really that many paying users who want to experience the pain of cost and latency from Internet syncing their photo libraries? It doesn't work well with Microsoft OneDrive and tiny Office documents; professionals definitely won't tolerate this when working with large files.

I don't need Adobe's cloud as a backup solution, either. Why would I want to wait to upload and download terabytes of data and pay outrageous fees for the privilege? A professional photographer should understand how to use hard drives to create a reliable local, high bandwidth backup scheme.

I don't need Adobe Portfolio, either. As a competent IT professional, I'd be ashamed to rely on a cookie-cutter service to coddle me and host my website.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 18, 2017 Oct 18, 2017

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The way I see it, it doesn't matter what Adobe calls the new Lightroom releases. Somebody isn't going to like the names and they aren't going to like the concepts because the concepts don't meet their needs. If you don't like the new Lightroom CC then don't use it. It's that simple. Personally, I think it's a pretty good idea for someone who wants to work on a particular set of images when they are away from their main computer. They create a shared collection using Lightroom Classic. Then using the new Lightroom CC they can work on that collection while they are away from home and their main computer. The work they perform will be applied to the images on the main computer. If that workflow doesn't work for you then don't use it. Some people want it. If they want it it's available for them. It works. If it doesn't work for you then leave it alone. That's the beauty of it. There are choices, different choices for different people. Make the choice that works for you and then ignore the rest. Figure out which programs are right for you and use them.

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New Here ,
Oct 18, 2017 Oct 18, 2017

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What a useless response JimHess  

This forum is also used to express experience and opinion, especially when a new product is launched

The TO made some good points and I am certainly not sure myself how this new strategy affects me. I am going to give myself some time to experience the pros and cons. I would actually have preferred a mix between the past sync method and the current one since I started to use the mobile apps environment while traveling but finally refining and  storing the images on my desktop. 

So one thing I am not entirely clear on, is which upload action counts against which cloud service

- raw upload from mobile

- upload collections from LR classic

- adding images to LR CC

- smart preview vs raw

Currently I seem to have two different quotas

Mobile apps show 1 TB

LR classic shows 20 GB

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Guest
Mar 27, 2018 Mar 27, 2018

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I agree with the OP.  The name Lightroom Classic CC is annoying and too long.  Lightroom, the local version, should just keep it's name, "Lightroom".  The new web version should be named Lightroom Web or something cheesy to reflect what it is.  Seriously Adobe, change the name back to just Lightroom already.

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LEGEND ,
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ss1976  wrote

Seriously Adobe, change the name back to just Lightroom already.

But we're not Adobe in this forum. We're just other Lightroom users. We can't change the software's name.

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