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Flattening PDF with digital signatures

Engaged ,
Sep 14, 2019 Sep 14, 2019

Can someone explain to me what exactly is 'flattening' a PDF ?  Is it done so a document can't be tampered with?  Why would you need to flatten a PDF?  For printing?  

I was taught to save our documents by Printing to Adobe and told that was flattening, which I've learned now it is also referred to as 'refrying', not a practice supported by Adobe.  The reason we were instructed to 'refry' was so the document could not be tampered with after we save it.  We work with Acrobat so even Optimizing seems like a better alternative, although, I don't think either is necessary.  Several digital signatures are applied to the document but can still be editted after they are applied.  However, I've added a script on my particular form so it locks when the last signature is applied by the manager, which is how I save now.   The other departments are still saving the document by refrying.  As far as I understand, the final digital signature is enough by locking it so it can't be tampered with.  The other departments don't lock after they are signed (for now at least) but I do not think flattening the PDF is necessary, am I correct?  How can I explain that 'refrying' is not good practice?  I kind of understand but I really need help expaining it.  

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Engaged ,
Sep 22, 2019 Sep 22, 2019
Okay, I get it, kinda. I'm not an IT person (well, super amateur) but I did re-create these forms so my main concern is why the the intimidating 'problem with signatures' message is displayed. I feel it is at least safe for me to say that this could be resolved by our ITS department, as per the info you provided. I've just been trying to fix a mess we were given to work with and figure out these issues since we've gone paperless. A little frustrating, but kinda having fun learning all this Adobe stuff! Thank you very much for your feedback, i super appreciate all the help I can get!!
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Engaged ,
Sep 22, 2019 Sep 22, 2019

One more thought! Do you think this is worth doing or would it be more work than it's worth?

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Community Expert ,
Sep 22, 2019 Sep 22, 2019

Hello again... Great question by the way!


If was an technology marketing consultant contracted by your company I would answer you last question as follows:


"Don't pay too much attention to costs and too little to benefits. Rather, forecast and compare costs over the life of a project. A proper TCO analysis often shows there is a large difference between the price of something and its long-term cost."

 

The quote above I found in in this old online article about total cost of ownership and return on investment: 
https://www.crmbuyer.com/story/71303.html ----> TCO, ROI and the Difference Between Price and Cost- By Curt Finch, Nov 23, 2010

 

If I was an technology partener selling business solutions I would immediately say YES!! But OF COURSE! ($$$$$$$).. LET"S DO IT!

 

On the other hand, if I was a disgruntled IT employee who works like an underpaid intern (but get the job well done), I would definitely try to squeeze my voice in in some of the desicion-making team meetings; I would stress repeatedly in those meetings how to use this growing-pain opportunity to move forward.


Upon your staff agreeing to my idea, I would then ask very politely and tactfully to have your organization pay for my certifications in Adobe Enterprise Manager Experience technologies.

 

Then as I acuire all the necessary skills to deploy the solutions that you are seeking (and achieve the project successfully), I would quit my job, update my resume, and get hired by another prospective employer who really apprciates the value in such skills and who is willing to  pay what I am happy with (at my current level of expertise).

 

Can you see the different angles?

 

This type of decisions usually involve the feedback of the head of the IT department, the VP of Operations, and the Finance Department (at a minimum); and also (very important), the feedback of all your power users (from data entry clerks, receptionists,  all the way to the President of the company (or business owner).

 

Key ingredients to this recipe are:

 

1) Are all of my users struggling with the hundreds of emails and/or documents that need to be processed daily?

 

2) Are these documents expedited professionally to my Clients?

 

3) Would this initiative increase the value of our current business partners? Does it align itself with ISO 9000 quality management standards so that it elevates my business presence in relation to my competitors?

 

4) How can the learning curve of my staff be quantified in terms of money and the time invested ?

 

5) How can this initiave be quantified in terms of the money we will earn? Will I save money to my bosss and look really good if it works out the way it is advertised?

 

6) How long would it take to get my staff up to speed without scarificing good customer service?

 

7) Will the production of our current standards cease indefinitely if it doesn't work as expected ? What is my backup plan if this happen? Do we actually have such thing as a backup plan if things go bananas in the IT Department?

 

8 ) Would it be necessary to outsource for a business partner that is experienced in deploying this solution and willing train my staff within a reasonable pricing range? (Is volume licensing a key element here?)

 

9) If money is all we care about ( and on not so much about the quality), would this approach be actually cheaper to implement versus continuing to work the way we've done things all along these past 10 years? Where do we want to be next year? next 5 years?

 

10) What are the expectations of my customers? Can they trust the value that my organization shares with them in relation to the services they are paying for? Will they be willing to pay more if we increase the price of our service after this implementation is set in motion?

 

11) Would it be easy? ( Could be a YES or a NO)

 

12) What else needs to be upgraded to achieve a nice workflow in my workplace( free from hassles)?

 

13) Does this means that I will have to upgrade network equipment, and desktop computers too ?

 

14) Is my boss and his staff old-school?  Is this what is called digital work-flow? How about if by implementing this solution we achieve digital workflow and a paperless solution?

 

15) How much money will I save in photocopying maintenance services (toner cartridges ,repair costs, bulk paper costs, etc.)?

 

16) How about marketing  ourselves out there as a pioneering and a visionary company, by which everything we do is eco-friendly business practices?

 

.. And the checklist goes on and on. Can you see all the angles?

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New Here ,
Jan 13, 2024 Jan 13, 2024

I can add this: What Adobe calls "flatten" isn't truly flatten. It's flatten-ish. Every method I've ever found online to flatten a PDF, printing to file, etc., including any Adobe Pro feature with "flatten" in the name, never truly flattens the PDF.

False --> https://www.adobe.com/acrobat/hub/how-to-flatten-a-pdf.html

 

@abracadabraJRB alludes to this in their answer when they say "graphics objects". <---- Plural: "objectS". Not flattened. Take any PDF, add an image onto it (like a signature image for example). Apply any so called 'flatten' process, and you can still select the image and even save it externally (which then allows you to start applying that image to other documents - uh oh).

 

The only way I've found to truly flatten a PDF is to either export it as jpg (or take a screenshot) and then create a new PDF based on that image. Now you can't select that (added/signature) image separate from anything else on the page - everything has truly been flattened into the page / into a single layer.

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Community Expert ,
Jan 14, 2024 Jan 14, 2024
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The only way I've found to truly flatten a PDF is to either export it as jpg (or take a screenshot) and then create a new PDF based on that image. Now you can't select that (added/signature) image separate from anything else on the page - everything has truly been flattened into the page / into a single layer.


By @TBemrose

I can. And depending on the placement of that, it is really easy. In a digital world, signatures should be digital, not graphic. It does not mind what you do, "flatten" or "pixelateing", the signatures will be unverifiable. 😉

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
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Community Expert ,
Jan 14, 2024 Jan 14, 2024

TBemrose you're confusing flattening and pixelating (which is not a good practice).

And also, I'm all alone in my head, so please don't refer to me as "they".

 


Acrobate du PDF, InDesigner et Photoshopographe
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