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Is Helvetica a Type 1 font in Acrobat and Reader DC? Is it being removed in 2023?

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Mar 10, 2021 Mar 10, 2021

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My company publishes many forms, and all of the form fields currently use Helvetica. I use Helvetica since it's my understanding this is a base font in Reader so I don't have to embed it in the form which keeps the file size down and so the user sees the font I want them to see. The Helvetica on my system right now is a Type 1 font.

 

With Type 1 support ending in 2023, will there be a new version of Helvetica in Acrobat DC and Acrobat Reader DC?  If not, what will the base fonts be in 2023 so I can choose something else? Is Helvetica already something other than Type-1 in Acrobat DC and Acrobat Reader DC?

 

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Mar 10, 2021 Mar 10, 2021

To clear up a misconception, Acrobat is absolutely not ending support of Type 1 fonts. Type 1 fonts are an integral part of both the PDF and PostScript specifications. Thus, the 2023 announcement doesn't affect Acrobat (or Reader)!!!

 

Note however, that the Helvetica Type 1 (or any other format for that matter) font family is not bundled with either Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat (and hasn't been since Acrobat 4 many years ago). If Adobe Reader or Acrobat encounters a reference to an unembedded

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To clear up a misconception, Acrobat is absolutely not ending support of Type 1 fonts. Type 1 fonts are an integral part of both the PDF and PostScript specifications. Thus, the 2023 announcement doesn't affect Acrobat (or Reader)!!!

 

Note however, that the Helvetica Type 1 (or any other format for that matter) font family is not bundled with either Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat (and hasn't been since Acrobat 4 many years ago). If Adobe Reader or Acrobat encounters a reference to an unembedded Helvetica font in a PDF file and if there is no Helvetica of any format installed on one's system (MacOS has a TrueType version of the Helvetica font family bundled with the operating system), the system Arial font (same font metrics including character widths, slightly different design) is automatically used as a substitute.

 

A similar situation exists with Times Roman. The system Times New Roman fonts (same font metrics, slightly different design) are used in lieu of Times Roman.

 

A further note. Although Microsoft has discontinued support of Type 1 fonts in Microsoft Office on Windows, no announcement has been made by Microsoft vis-a-vis any elimination of Type 1 font support in Windows. Likewise, Apple has made no such announcement.

 

- Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)

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Mar 11, 2021 Mar 11, 2021

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Thanks Dov, I didn't expect anyone would reply and certainly not this quickly. Just so I'm clear on it, in 2023:

 

  • PDFs previously created using type 1 fonts for text will continue to display the type 1 fonts as normal in Acrobat and Reader.
  • Helvetica type 1 on my computer will no longer be available to create or edit documents in apps such as InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop. I won't be able to use it to style paragraphs or write new text.
  • However, when I use Acrobat to add form fields, my Helvetica Type 1 will still be a choice when setting the form field font in the text field properties window. Meaning I won't have to change all of my form fields in every form to a different font by 2023. (This is my main concern regarding type 1 no longer being supported.)
  • Reader does not have built-in fonts, so I don't need to choose one based on this to keep the file size down. (I've come across "base-14", "standard 14", and "safe" fonts a few times, although the latest information I found was from 2016 so maybe these aren't available anymore.)

 

Thanks for your help with this!

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Mar 11, 2021 Mar 11, 2021

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A bit of explanation about Helvetica in form fields is in order, as it has a special "magic".

 

When originally designed form fields could use Helvetica (and a few other faces like Times Roman), in type 1 format. These were not embedded, and COULD NOT BE embedded. Fonts just had to work with these forms. And PDF readers always have, whether or not they actually have Helvetica. Typically, they will use Arial or some other substitute font, but still not embedded!

 

Later, PDF forms were changed to allow other fonts. The fonts are embeded, and MUST BE embedded. The magic position of Helvetica remains, and you will notice it is at the top of the forms list in Acrobat's form editor. There are significant advantages to making forms with these (non-embedded) fonts which look like Helvetica, and I generally recommend using these fonts if you can. It might be better if the original PDF design had called this "Generic Magic Sans Serif" rather than "Helvetica". Too late now!

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@jonh4806236 

 

You should be fine.

 

One thing to note, however, is that Helvetica is a fine font to use as long as you don't need characters outside of the Western Latin character set. As such, Arial would probably be a much better choice if you have the possibility of use of Eastern European, Cyrillic, Arabic, Farsi, or Hebrew character sets for example.

 

- Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)

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Feb 29, 2024 Feb 29, 2024

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I ended up having to PreFlight a fillable PDF form I created because users were running into errors and the issue that PreFlight kept reporting was the Subtype Entry is missing, Acrobat shows a 'Subset Embedded' Type 1, Ansi Encoded version of HelveticaNeue. Unfortunately when the error window pops up and you click 'ok', it jumps from showing the form to a blank page, displaying only form fields - no verbiage anywhere that uses this Type 1 font. The only fix I have so far is replacing the page with the original form I designed from InDesign for the text to show up again. As much as I'd like to believe Acrobat doesn't have font issues with Type 1 versions - this may not be the case anymore.

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Feb 29, 2024 Feb 29, 2024

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Type 1 fonts are part of the ISO specification. Acrobat still supports type 1 fonts. Indesign does not anymore.

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Feb 29, 2024 Feb 29, 2024

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Yes, I know. InDesign was diligent to notify. So why is Acrobat's PreFlight, when analyzing fonts only, is stating a subtype entry issue and the only subset embedded font is the Type 1 HelveticaNeue, the error I get makes all those fonts disappear?

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Helvetica Neue is a proprietary font with restrictions for embedding into PDFs and other digital files. You'll need a separate electronic license to embed it into PDFs. See https://www.linotype.com/25-34499/font-licensing.html

 

Note that the licensing fee is based on how many editions it will be used in, and also is an annual fee rather than on-time.

 

Acrobat uses a built-in version of Helvetica, not the same font. And there's no additional fees (or font errors) to use it. We recommend using it for forms.

 

 

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