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P: Merged Images show Vignetting Artifacts (Nikon Z7II with 24-70 F4)

Community Beginner ,
Apr 02, 2023 Apr 02, 2023

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Dear Adobe Support

 

Use Case & Setup

I own a Nikon Z 7 II with a kit lens, the Nikkor Z f/4 24-70mm, which I use a lot when travelling. Typically, I would shoot a lot of images at 70mm and build panoramas, which is why I need vignetting to be eliminated completely, as the bright, respectively dark vignetting on the original pictures can otherwise be seen in the final resulting panorama.

 

The problem

It seems like there is no way currently to automatically correct the lens profile to remove vignetting using the NIKKOR Z f/4 24-70mm kit lens.

 

The process

I typically import my images in .NEF and first convert the to .dng (with lossy compression). I assume this step has no impact but I'm mentioning it here for completeness.

I have seen similar posts on this forum but they don't seem to answer exactly this question. More on this later.

Here is what I see, to give you an example:

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.42.54.pngexpand image

After importing and without profile corrections enabled, you can clearly see vignetting just by looking at the image. It becomes even more striking when combining the four pictures shown to a panorama and applying, just for the sake of demonstration, some (exaggerated) dehazing and histogram stretching:

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.46.18.pngexpand image

This of course is not pretty and is meant to be only a demonstration. It looks to me like the dark parts are results of vignetting when stitching together the panorama.

When I apply "auto" profile corrections, it will again use the "built-in" lens profile, which is equal to unticking the box:

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.43.45.pngexpand image

(this is something else I don't understand with Lightroom, why is no way to remove the built-in, even when lens profile corrections are unticked? But this is a side question)

 

This results in the exact same panorama (I synced all edits to make sure the images are comparable).

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.46.23.pngexpand image

I looked at manually finding my lens but it does not appear to be there (in fact, I see no Z lenses in my dropdown at all):   

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.44.06.pngexpand image

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Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.44.38.pngexpand image

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.44.58.pngexpand image

Now, I can try to manually remove the vignetting by doing something like this:

  1. Select a "more or less similar" lens from the available models in the dropdowns shown above, such as the "Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8E ED-VR" and apply some manual adjustments to make the vignetting in one image appear to disappear (by looking at it only)
  2. Sync the edits to all photos which will go into the panorama
  3. Generate a panorama merge preview (with auto settings to stretch the contrasts) to see if the vignetting seems about gone.
  4. Repeat steps 1-3 until the outcome of step 3 seems satisfying

You can imagine that somebody with a camera which aims to be "for perfectionists" (from Nikon's website) will not be happy with such a process and the outcome is not optimal by any means.

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 11.55.49.pngexpand image

This is about the best I could get using the method above, it still looks like some dull water-damaged print. 

I would really hope that Adobe collaborates with Nikon to address this issue.

 

In the remaining steps, I want to demonstrate that the same steps would produce satisfying outcomes if done based on images taken with another lens for which there is a correctly functioning lens profile, such as the NIKKOR Z 14-24mm f/2.8 which I also own.

 

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 12.00.51.pngexpand image

First of all: there seems to be a lens profile (see right bar) corresponding to my exact lens.

 

If I merge the three pictures and apply aggressive contrast enhancement, I can see no signs of the lens profile not being applied to the original images.

Screenshot 2023-04-02 at 12.02.55.pngexpand image

 

Thank you in advance for any help and happy to provide further clarifications if needed.

Kind regards,

Cyril Wendl

 

 

 

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Adobe Employee , Apr 05, 2023 Apr 05, 2023

We've opened a ticket to investigate this. Thank you for the files.

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Explorer ,
May 08, 2023 May 08, 2023

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Hello Lightroom Team,

 

there is no lens correction for NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/4 S in the lightroom CC and the built-in lens profiles and automatic lens detection is not working well. I still have vignettierungScreenshot (216).pngexpand imageScreenshot (216).pngexpand image around my image.  Please find attached my image. What can I do?

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Best,

Jonas

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May 08, 2023 May 08, 2023

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The vignetting is still there but there is written built in (integriert in german). Can someone help please? Thanks Screenshot (217).pngexpand image

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Community Expert ,
May 08, 2023 May 08, 2023

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See the link for the list of lens profiles created by Adobe. The specific lens shows that a profile created by Nikon is being applied at import by Lightroom Classic. Check the list to see has created a profile for the lens.

https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/lens-profile-support.html?clickref=1101lwJQTYW6&mv=affilia...

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 23H2, LrC 14.2, ; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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May 09, 2023 May 09, 2023

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Thank you for your message. You link is not working when I press it.  The NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/4 S is not in that list: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/supported-lenses.html There is written "built in" (in German integriert) so I think it do it automatically, but it didn´t work. Please see the pictures. Do you or other experts has an idea what I can do? Thank you in advance. 

 

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Community Expert ,
May 09, 2023 May 09, 2023

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There are no lens profiles for Z lenses. The profiles are embedded within the raw file by the camera. That being said, there's more details on a bug for the vignetting issue at https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-bugs/p-merged-images-show-vignetting-artifacts-nikon-z7ii-...

 

@Rikk Flohr: Photography  please merge this thread with above link

 

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May 09, 2023 May 09, 2023

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How long will it take until this problem is fixed? I have the same issue just not in panorama, just in normal RAW pictures with the same lens. Screenshot (216).pngexpand imageScreenshot (217).pngexpand image

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May 09, 2023 May 09, 2023

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Thank you. That helps a lot to know now, that the problem is with lightroom CC and this lens. Hope it can be fixed soon. Best, Jonas

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May 09, 2023 May 09, 2023

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Please let me know, when the issue is fixed.

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Community Expert ,
May 10, 2023 May 10, 2023

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This problem unfortunately exists for every Z lens and every normal Nikon lens used through a FTZ adapter on a Z-type camera in varying amounts. Adobe does not correctly use the built-in vignetting profile that Nikon embeds in every raw file from these cameras. Nikon's software correctly corrects the vignette in its own software using the same profile data so the issue is simply the amount of correction being done I think which might not be correctly tuned. It's not always super visible but the problem is always there and has existed (and been discussed) ever since the Z cameras were first supported. This would be less of a problem if you could turn the built-in correction off and use your own profile or could use a simple slider to affect the amount of correction being applied but that is not possible for raw files from most Z cameras (only for the mk II versions) and for all Z cameras you cannot affect the amount of correction applied. Hopefully Adobe indeed takes a good look at this and better tune the correction or give us a slider for the built in profiles just like we get for the other kind of lens profiles so we can fine tune ourselves.

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Community Expert ,
May 10, 2023 May 10, 2023

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Adobe and Nikon do not appear to have a very amicable relationship when it comes to rendering NEF images.

Just my observation over several years.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 23H2, LrC 14.2, ; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 13, 2023 Jun 13, 2023

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Greetings all,

 

Updates for Adobe Photography products have been released.  The June 2023 updates contain a fix for this issue. 

If you do not see the update in your Creative Cloud Application, you can refresh it by hitting [Ctrl/Cmd]+[Alt/Opt]+[ R ].

Note: It may take up to 24 hours for your update to be available in your Creative Cloud app.

 

Thank you for your patience.

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Explorer ,
Nov 18, 2023 Nov 18, 2023

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Hello,

 

Lightroom classic still does not automatically show the Lens Profile for the Nikkor 24-120 f/4 S lense.

For my Nikkor 100-400 f4.5 - 5.6 S it does work

 

Stu

 

 

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Nov 18, 2023 Nov 18, 2023

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Hello again,

 

Sorry but I forgot to stae that I am using thr Z8 camera.

 

Thanks again

 

Stu

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Community Beginner ,
Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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Dear Lightroom Support, dear Rikk

Are you sure this bug has been fixed? As of today, I can see still the exact same problem which I have initially reported, and it can be reproduced with the files I provided.

Kind regards

Cyril Wendl

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