Denoise AI takes 10 minutes to render

[lucieneb30222720]

I was so excited to update ACR, but denoise AI is unusable for me. I'm running a Windows 11 with 64 GB RAM, 2 solid state drives with 1 TB each, one of them empty, and my GPU is NVIDIA GTX 1060 with 8GB memory. ACR is set to use GPU. PS and Bridge run fast, but the new feature, Denoise AI takes 10 minutes to render. I thought it was a mistake when the display said 10 minutes, but it's real. Ten minutes is unusable, not to mention that the result, after waiting 10 minutes was poorer than Topaz denoise, which renders in less than 20 seconds. What's going on? Have I gotten a defective update? I've been reading that other users are running into the same problem, but one user reported a much inferior GPU  than mine. Do I have to buy a server to run ACR denoise? If so, it's really unusable.

[deejjjaaaa]

v15.3..1 finally fixed Adobe's GPU coding bug for my GTX 1070Ti

I was wondering ( in this topic = https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/denoise-ai-takes-10-minutes-to-render/m-p/1375... ) how Rikk Flohr's GTX970 was a magnitude faster in Ai NR than mine GTX1070Ti... not everything is in order 🙂   - the usual assumption that ACR/LR code was to blame was correct 

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

It was more likely that you had a bad installation, and the update fixed that issue.  There was only one bug fix in this release: https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-bugs/p-ai-noise-reduction-for-fuji-x-h1-files-produces-pur... which had nothing to do with your previous reported problems. 

In any case, I am glad your system performs now. 

[TheDigitalDog]

No “apparently” in any of this.

Rikk IS an Adobe employee.

Rikk provided a correct answer.

[deejjjaaaa]

Rick did not provide a correct answer - but some data point that lacks further details ... as I illustrated his card does not have anything more than mine - so the difference is either in driver's version or that he uses a different ACR ... and, Andrew, we do not need you to answer on his behalf ... he can if he wants to answer himself

[TheDigitalDog]

Rick did not provide a correct answer - 

By @deejjjaaaa

He did but you are (”apparently“) welcome to ignore it. 😢

[D Fosse]

@deejjjaaaa 

It seems to me - from all the responses here in the forum so far - that there was some kind of watershed two or three years ago. I don't know the technicals, Tensor or whatever, but apparently new GPU technologies came on the market then, that are optimized for this kind of task.

In terms of Nvidia, that's probably when GTX became RTX. So the real difference is between old and new GPUs, not between model numbers. My Quadro belongs in the old group, the 3060 in the new.

Depending on megapixels, people who report timings seem to be either in the 15-30 second group (new), or the 2-10 minute group (old).

[deejjjaaaa]

again, there was a watershed of course - however Adobe employee illustrates ( 90sec timing ) that his GPU was after that and mine is even newer than his - so mine shall be cleary fully functional and deliver faster than 90 sec on the same raw files from Canon 5D mk IV - but it does not ... I was fully expecting mine to be slower w/o tensor cores, but his does not have them either... so tensor cores are not the reason... I am narrowing down to a very clear case GTX 970/4gb (his older, less capable - yet AiNR works fast) vs GTX1070Ti/8Gb  (mine newer more capable of the same line - yet AiNR works slow) - please do not involve RTX (with tensor cores) or Quadro... 

[D Fosse]

Has anyone ever mentioned how big these files are? Megapixels matter here.

AFAIK the quadro is old technology and fully comparable to a GTX x70/80 from the same period. Quadros were never particularly powerful in terms of computing power, just considered more sturdy and reliable.

[deejjjaaaa]

> Has anyone ever mentioned how big these files are? Megapixels matter here.

Did you actually read that we are talking about the same raw files from Canon 5D mk IV ?  that was mentioned several times in this very thread 

I have an impression that you are a poorly implremented Ai-Bot

let me repeat slowly in the hope that you are a human

Adobe employee claims that a raw file from Canon 5D Mk IV can be Ai-NR using his nVidia GTX 970 / 4GB GPU in 90 sec 
I take a raw file from the same camera model and my nVidia GTX 1070 Ti / 8GB GPU does it in 8 minutes ( = 5-6 times slower )

you can't claim that nVidia GTX 1070 Ti is not supported in this situation... so the matter is either (A) drivers (B) Adobe's code ... I am merely curious at this point what version of nVidia driviers Adobe employee was using and whether Adobe employee was using a publicly released version of ACR/LR...  so that I can download and install the same version of nVidia drivers as he uses to get 90sec on his GTX 970

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i7-9700K CPU
64Gb RAM

nVidia GTX 1070Ti / 8Gb - driver version is 531.61

NVIDIA System Information report created on: 04/27/2023 17:03:35

[Display]
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, 64-bit
DirectX version: 12.0
GPU processor: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
Driver version: 531.61
Driver Type: DCH
Direct3D feature level: 12_1
CUDA Cores: 2432
Core clock: 1607 MHz
Memory data rate: 8.01 Gbps
Memory interface: 256-bit
Memory bandwidth: 256.26 GB/s
Total available graphics memory: 40927 MB
Dedicated video memory: 8192 MB GDDR5
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 32735 MB
Video BIOS version: 86.04.85.01.70
IRQ: Not used
Bus: PCI Express x16 Gen3
Device Id: 10DE 1B82 66783842
Part Number: G411 0010

no issues with Adobe's Ai-Demosaick in ACR, DxO PL6 DeepPRIME XD or Capture One - GPU performs in line w/ what other users are reporting... the only exception is Adobe's Ai-NR in ACR

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

"I am merely curious at this point what version of nVidia driviers Adobe employee was using and whether Adobe employee was using a publicly released version of ACR/LR..."

This information was already provided. Read my previous post from 7 hours ago!

[deejjjaaaa]

drivers updated to your game-ready version

raw file = https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-5d-iv/E5D4hSLI012800NR0.CR2.HTM

ACR version screenshot = 



Time to AI-Raw Details = 2 seconds



Time to AI-Super Resolution = 7 seconds



Time to AI-Denoise = 9  MINUTES ...

[deejjjaaaa]

now if you have some time to screenshot how much time it takes w/ your GTX 970 for said operation please... then it will be clear... like GTX 970 can do AI-Raw Details in less than a second on your system

[TheDigitalDog]

> Has anyone ever mentioned how big these files are? Megapixels matter here.

Did you actually read that we are talking about the same raw files from Canon 5D mk IV ?  that was mentioned several times in this very thread 

I have an impression that you are a poorly implremented Ai-Bot

let me repeat slowly in the hope that you are a human

By @deejjjaaaa

If you continue to act up, and disrespect others as seen often here, your posts will be removed and you'll no longer be posting! 

Pay attention to the following:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/using-the-community-discussions/adobe-support-community-guidelines/td...