New Nikon D3 and D700 "Camera" v2 beta profiles

Participating Frequently

Thanks again for your respons,

Well, here we could wrap it up. To stick with your metafore: i would like to stick another roll of film into my Nikon once in a while.

A roll of Canon for perhaps.. You can do a lot but still, what you can do with raw conversions you can't do on another level.

I happen to proces more camera raw's and a Canon will never turn into a Nikon vice versa.

Just out a curiosity, would that technically possible to make look up tables to convert one raw (close) to the other?

Menno

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Anonymous

It is technically possible to have a profile for Nikon camera that will give you

very similar colors like some Canon camera and vice versa. However, because of different sensors and lenses, it's not possible to match all colors exactly, but you can come quite close (you won't get exactly the same colors even if you have, like me, several different Canon cameras, so who cares)

Participating Frequently

Well, I'm still interested.

I did it one time, take 2 brands to a shoot. Impossible, i ended up liking the canon look better for that one but the best shots were made with the nikon.It would just give you a powerful tool in post. I could never post process the v1 into the v2 with LR or PS.My guess is the a lot of Nikon owners love to have access to Canon colors. One has one's lens collection together e.g. for Nikon and to buy say a 5DmkII and a similar lens set would be thousends of euros. If a profile could make you come close..I would pay for that in a heartbeat.

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safo0601

Participant

Hi!

Some months ago I installed the Beta Profiles (D3) on my Mac (OS X 10.6.5).
Till yesterday I was able to choose the V2 Profiles during the import or later.
Now they are in LR3 (3.3) not available any more.
In PS CS4 I can see them.
I copy the beta profiles to /Library/Application/Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles twice without success.
Does any one know what's the fault?

greetings,

safo

Adobe Employee

safo, that is the correct place to which to install the profiles. Make sure in LR when you're trying to select the profile, that you are processing raw files (they will not show up in the Profile popup menu for JPEGs, TIFFs, etc.).

Eric

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safo0601

Participant

Hi Eric,

I only use RAW files.

greetings,

safo

Participating Frequently

Hi Eric,

Nice work, i realy like people getting this deep into color.

My observations:

A lot better, indeed the burned out highlight are better.But stil i need to export to PS to make the image "pop"

In dark area's reds and orange are too saturated still. I'd like to sow you samples but i would not put them on public display.

In these files you can easily see what happens when push he blacks slider up. In dark tones a yellow blanket turns first orange and then red.

Same happens with faces. Which is still the biggest problem: The over saturated reds in bronzed (older) faces when a bit underexposed.

Second, i wonder, is it possible to develop an evan better tahn Nikon profile? With real natural colors? Natural greens and yellows for example?

i know, it's not what was the original request but wouldn't that be an awsome selling point?

But i remain very thankful for your work.

Menno

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Anonymous

So, how do you define natural colors ?

If you for example tako a photo through the window, then display it in ACR or any other similar software and expect that you will see on the monitor exactly the same as through the window in the nature, I'm affraid that's not gonna happen with any profile

http://brucebracken.com/photography/v/pptest/1a.jpg.html

Participating Frequently

Hi Vit,

You are absolutly right. Natural is hard to define and non existing. On the other hand, unnatural is pretty easy to define. Like if yellow turns orange, blue is too purple. We are all trying to calibrate printers and monitors and i have the feeling that nikon colors could be improved. Maybe one could closer to natural or high end camera's. Or maybe just different, say Canon like..

I think the new v2 profiles are a lot better in that perspective already. Some odd purple green cast in shadows is now gone.

I noticed you are into improving the colors, interesting, I owned a 400d as well and liked it. Would share your profiles?

Thanks,

Menno

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Crystal_Evans

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I am a newbie here and just wanna say Hi to everyone. I am Crystal from Louisiana, US.
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Geronimosan

Inspiring

I may be doing something wrong, but I'm getting drastically different results when I open an NEF file in Capture NX2 versus Lightroom 3 (using both the boxed camera profiles and these beta v2 profiles) from images shot on a D700.

In NX2, I ensured that I was using the "Standard" profile, and in the case of LR3, "Camera Standard v2".

Here are the two different results:

NX2

LR3

http://brucebracken.com/photography/v/pptest/1b.jpg.html

The LR3 image looks much more color saturated, among other things, but from what I remember, the NX2 image was much closer to how the scene looked when I was doing the shooting.

Can someone help me understand why LR3 produces such a different default image from the NEF file than NX2?

Thanks in advance!

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Anonymous

Hello,

I don't know how things work technically in these two converters, but, from my experience with D700 camera which I own, NX almost completely desaturate dark tones, probably to mask shadow color noise or I don't know why but... I had really hard time to get any saturation for example in people faces when I do shooting in backlight situation, using flash fill, but flash was not enough powerful so it left them relatively dark. These areas in NX are simply gray, no matter what I do to boost saturation there. This looks like "feature" from NX, but I don't really like it, and ACR does much better job for these dark areas - at least for my eyes if not technically.

Adobe Employee

Before I tear into this and start the project...can anyone tell

me if these presets are compatible w/LR v2.4 ?? Thanks

Yes: LR 2.0 and later.

BTW, the latest LR 2 version is 2.7. Just FYI.

Eric

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donovanbond

Participant

Am I assuming (hoping) correctly that the upgrade installation of Lightroom 3 doesn't update these camera profiles? I've been noticing a lot of posterizing as well as magenta and green colour artifacts in neutral tones since upgrading to my D700. I'm really hoping that updating my profiles when I get home will fix things.

Adobe Employee

The v2 beta profiles are not included in the LR 3 install.

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Thomas Geist

Known Participant

LR 3.2 final - any news? Is there an estimated release date for the final profiles?

Thanks!

Thomas

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Thomas Geist

Known Participant

Is there an estimate for when the final profiles will be out?

What happens if I then remove those beta profiles? Will LR fall back to the official profiles or will it not find any profile?

Thanks!

Thomas